Tehran Condemns 300

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JKIDDO

Friday, March 16, 2007 9:55 PM

'Ummm... 'cause Geezer started it and too many people were willing to join in? 'Cause this thread was taking a "Lord of the Flies" turn?

RAZZA

Friday, March 16, 2007 10:00 PM

Uhhmmm...or because the "Lord of the Flies" turn went against the grain of your personal beliefs for a change maybe? I've seen plenty of threads take such a turn. Heck, I've been the object of such turns. I didn't see your heart bleeding for me when it happened, and unlike Rue or Geezer, I try to never insult other people in these forums. It's counterproductive and the tactic of someone who cannot prove their point by reasonable discussion.

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JKIDDO

Friday, March 16, 2007 10:10 PM

Was I in that thread? I'd like to think I'd kick about it in ANY thread even if it involved someone I didn't like. I'm not implying that I don't like you. What I'm saying is that I hope I'd step in if Geezer was being surrounded. But mebbe I'm not as big-hearted as I thought.

Still, I don't see the point of blaming the victim in THIS thread. It only encourages bullies and their wanna-be henchmen. I'll tackle other threads as they come along!

AND YA KNOW, IT'S STILL A HAPPY FRIDAY.

HOPE Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND COMING UP!

GEEZER

Friday, March 16, 2007 10:44 PM

Guys.

While I appreciate those who have supported my right to make funnies here, and understand those who reflect Rue's viewpoint, I note that neither Rue or I have been involved in the debate for a while, and it's getting way too serious.

Pax, please.

Therefore, I thank the Persians for codifying laws protecting human rights, thank the Spartans for helping ensure the survival of Greek civilization, and plan to go see 300 next week (based on JASONZZZ's description of the scene with the Oracle of Delphi as "dripping with sexuality").

Hoping I don't offend any Oracles Geezer.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CAUSAL

Friday, March 16, 2007 10:47 PM

Well, sh*t. Geezer came with the class.

I am a small man,

CAUSAL

Friday, March 16, 2007 10:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
...and plan to go see 300 next week (based on JASONZZZ's description of the scene with the Oracle of Delphi as "dripping with sexuality")...

And thirty feet tall--don't forget that part!

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SOUPCATCHER

Friday, March 16, 2007 11:23 PM

So I went to see 300 last night. In part because of this thread. In part because of how unexpectedly successful the opening weekend was (the consensus of the traders over at HSX was that it would take in about 45 million over the weekend, it took in 70). In part because I'm always curious about comic book adaptations. In part because I enjoy a well-done sword and sandals movie. In part because the battle at Thermopylae is a compelling event. You get the picture.

My gut take was that this movie did a good job of feeling like a graphic novel. And as long as I didn't stray from that level of viewing the movie it was very enjoyable.

The analytical side of my mind did get taken out of the story every time Leonidas mentioned they were fighting for freedom and I'm looking for help here from those who have studied ancient Sparta more: didn't the Spartans have like a shitload of slaves? (* edited to add: Okay. I went back and read the thread and saw this already came up, so that answers my question ).

I got my money's worth.

RAZZA

Friday, March 16, 2007 11:34 PM

Soupcatcher:

I agree with you on every point. I saw the movie on Monday and thought they did a very good job of adapting a graphic novel and giving it the artistic feel of such. I was cringing about the "fighting for freedom" stuff when I saw the previews, thought that was a bit ridiculous. While bloody and violent, the movie was very interesting cinematically and I well worth the price of admission. The plot was a bit thin, but what do you expect from a graphic novel adaptation?

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---Roger Ebert

DAYVE

Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:21 PM

For a little different take on the subject, see the 1962 film, '300 Spartans' (or Lion of Sparta, same movie). It doesn't have quite the impact of a graphic novel, but it is the same story. Richard Egan, Diane Baker and David Farrar (his last film before retirement) are some of the actors. Directed by Rudolph Mate. It is a good film, perhaps even slightly ahead of it's time for an action adventure movie.

It would probably be less controversial than '300', but I'm not sure how it would be received in Iran.

CAUSAL

Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The analytical side of my mind did get taken out of the story every time Leonidas mentioned they were fighting for freedom and I'm looking for help here from those who have studied ancient Sparta more: didn't the Spartans have like a shitload of slaves? (* edited to add: Okay. I went back and read the thread and saw this already came up, so that answers my question ).

At the risk of being accused of being a wet blanket

, I think we have to remember that our conception of "freedom" and theirs are quite different (though it is true to say that ours grew out of theirs). They wouldn't have seen anything inconsistent with fighting for freedom and still being slave holders (hell, our forebears in the U.S. were slave owners, but we still think they were fighting for freedom). To the Greek mind, freedom meant not "individual-liberties-for-all" but something closer to self-rule-and-the-absence-of-tyranny. Many of those Greek city-states were just emerging from periods of being ruled by tyrants and engaging in the democratic experiment. And again, only citizens could vote, but still, it was freedom of a sort. So I think that the Greeks were exactly fighting for freedom: freedom from the domination of a foreign tyrant. Let's not conflate their concept of freedom with ours.

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