Ann Coulter, right wing goddess
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 5, 2023 23:43
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Quote:I plead the Ann Coulter defense again... It's a JOKE, man! If Ann couldn't take it, I'm sure she wouldn't be dishing it out.
For Ann Coulter to suggest that John Edwards shares attributes commonly (if erroneously) attributed to homosexuals is slander, a lie, a fraud, and should not be accepted by anyone. For multiple posters to suggest that Ann Coulter bathes in virgins' blood, enjoys taking it up the a** while listening to liberal viewpoints, is a transvestite, has had a sex change, etc., is just good fun. Do I detect a slight case of double standard here?
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I wanted to let you know, 6ixStringJack, that I've enjoyed this discussion. I don't really have anything to add beyond that.
Well, this is kind of a side note, really, that was sparked by reading your posts. I live in the Bay Area so I had a front row seat when the new mayor of San Francisco announced that the city would be issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples. I remember the arguments and the counter-arguments going back and forth. And the slew of amendments banning gay marriage that passed during the next election were seen as a setback for the gay rights movement directly related to the step forward that those ceremonies represented.
There's strategy and tactics, and maybe it wasn't the most strategic decision to show the country hundreds of gay and lesbian couples getting married. But all that goes out the window when I remember the look on those faces. The first couple that got married were a couple of gray-haired lesbians who had been together for around forty years. Why would they feel the need, after all that time, to make it official? Because they couldn't before. They never even had the option. It was clear that this was so very important to them, this legal recognition of the decision that they made so very long ago.
I don't know where that fits into all this, or even if it does.
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I have enjoyed this conversation too SoupCatcher. A lot of my talks in here don't go that way it seems, so I'm glad that we were able to have an intelligent and thought provoking discussion. We did kinda jack their thread... lol. Ahhhhh... It sure did help pass a slow night at work anyways. To be honest, I was figurin' on about 30 messages in my mailbox today indicating that I had been brutalized and yelled at all day when I was gone. I'm still trying to figure out why that didn't happen. Maybe I actually did make some sense this time and showed a bit more understanding for the other point of view. Pat on the back for me if that's the reason and it's not because people are just sick of arguing with me for the sake of arguing. 
Funny you mention the old women getting married. My grandma's sister and her "friend" lived together for years. They both died when I was young, but I do remember them both fondly. When my great aunt passed away her friend really got the shaft because the money which my aunt had, which was very sizeable, and her large house went to her sister (not my grandma who was basically written out of her mother's and sister's will's too because rich Irish girls don't marry poor Polocks) and her friend had to move out of the house. From what I hear it was a very bitter ordeal. That always rubbed me wrong. I really liked her friend, and of course, being as young as I was at the time I didn't have any idea what was really going on. Maybe today people don't have to go through that.
As a side note here, the racism in my family between different white folks ensured that the only part of the family fortune I ever saw was $5,000 towards college.... or was it only $2,500? I can't recall. My Grandma and Grandpa were like a 1940's version of Romeo and Juliet. They met at a grocery store my Grandpa worked at and he managed to sneak her extra condiments and stuff back in the war days when they put limits on your purchases for food and gas. Her family hated him instantly because of his Polish background. It's kinda funny how we think of racism today as black and white and brown when most of us mixed blood white folk have blood of peoples who hated each other inside of us.
Anyways... Like I said before, I just don't want the law going into churches and Boy Scout troops and such places and telling them how to run things. There are plenty of oppurtunities for everyone out there and if these organizations refuse to change their policies, that is thier choice to make and not BigGov's. There is plenty of oppurtunity in America and the gay community and its supporters need to make its own organizations which will probably outnumber the old ones anyways given a span of 5 or so generations. Let the people decide for themselves.
One more thought that I should add is that there is really no saying how happy I am that the Administration never passed a ban on gay marrage as an ammendment to the Constitution. She's already scarred badly enough what with the other little Prohibition incident just about 100 years ago now. If we go and put too much stuff on her that's just bound to get taken right back off, ain't nobody going to take her seriously anymore. Sadly, too many people already don't......
Thanks again for the discussion. I think conversations like that really make those guys on Hardball look like major assholes. Have a good weekend. I'm outta here in 3 more hours and I'll be gone for a while.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Ann Coulter is hired to speak and write books precisely because she expresses the sentiments she does. Who hires her to write books? Who hires her to come and talk? On what end of the political spectrum lies her target audience?
Ann Coulter has the explicit support of the Republican Party. Her comments have the explicit support of the Republican Party. By this point in time, when you hire her to come and talk, you know exactly what you're getting. The crowd reaction to her faggot comment was quite positive. They got exactly what they wanted and expected.
She has explicitly advocated violence against those who do not share her views. If you look at her vector it ends in lynch mobs.
So she's the right's Michael Moore, except she doesn't make films, and makes up a bit less of her facts?
No. She's an entertainer. She went the opposite direction of, say, Al Franken. He went from comic to commentator - she went from commentator to entertainer. I'd put her in the bracket with John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
So she's the right's Michael Moore, except she doesn't make films, and makes up a bit less of her facts?
No. She's an entertainer. She went the opposite direction of, say, Al Franken. He went from comic to commentator - she went from commentator to entertainer. I'd put her in the bracket with John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
Ah, the old false-equivalency chestnut.
So Michael Moore has his security forceably remove a member of his own political party who disagrees with him? [As happened to a Republican critic of Coulter at CPAC]
So Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert have called for members of their audience to rise up and attack those who protest them? [As Ann Coulter did at Loyola University in Chicago last year, heckling her supporters with taunts like, "You're men. You're heterosexuals. Take them out." until there was a physical confrontation].
It's going to be kind of hard for you to defend the Republican Party's official embrace of Ann Coulter, Geezer, if she continues to make statements like this, "Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I'm not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened..." [which she said at the Reclaiming America for Christ conference just a day after she verbally attacked Edwards].
But then, that's probably not the point. As long as Republicans can wink-wink-nudge-nudge all her inflammatory statements away they won't have to deal with the reality that she is tapping into a very ugly undercurrent.
Vectors. Think vectors. Plot the direction this is heading. And don't think for a minute that that isn't Coulter's goal.
If you support Ann Coulter then you support violently repressing dissent.
* edited to change around the if-then in my final sentence.
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Slick,
"No. She's an entertainer."
Then why did Richards (Kramer) get slammed for called someone a nigger? In fact he was working at a COMEDY club when he said that, not at a figgin' CPAC. Oh, and just so you know who some of the OTHER speakers were at the CPAC: Vice President Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, Rudy Guiliani, Senator Jim DeMint, Senator Sam Brownback, Represenative Tom Tancredo, and Newt Gingrich.
Yeah, it was a mere comedy act at a comedy club. Sheesh. 
You are stupid, pointless and wrong, as usual. Oh, and a propagandist.
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Originally posted by JKiddo:Quote:I plead the Ann Coulter defense again... It's a JOKE, man! If Ann couldn't take it, I'm sure she wouldn't be dishing it out.
For Ann Coulter to suggest that John Edwards shares attributes commonly (if erroneously) attributed to homosexuals is slander, a lie, a fraud, and should not be accepted by anyone. For multiple posters to suggest that Ann Coulter bathes in virgins' blood, enjoys taking it up the a** while listening to liberal viewpoints, is a transvestite, has had a sex change, etc., is just good fun. Do I detect a slight case of double standard here?
Ann can't take it. That is obvious from her response to any sort of criticism.
Ann Coulter is a Hate Monger and the absolute antithesis of what an American should be.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
It's going to be kind of hard for you to defend the Republican Party's official embrace of Ann Coulter, Geezer, if she continues to make statements like this, "Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I'm not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened..." [which she said at the Reclaiming America for Christ conference just a day after she verbally attacked Edwards]....If you support Ann Coulter then you support violently repressing dissent.
What gave you the idea that I was out to "defend the Republican Party's official embrace of Ann Coulter"? I wouldn't know Ann Coulter from Adam if it wasn't for the folks slamming her on this forum. From the little I've read since then I don't agree with very much of what she says, and don't much care for the way she says it.
Guys, she's in it to make a living, and will provide what her market wants. If Loyola University, CPAC or the Reclaiming America for Christ Conference book her, they know what they're going to get. I know I won't be asking her to speak at my next get-together.
It just seems a bit strange to me that folks who are so upset by her method of demeaning her targets would use those same methods to demean her. If you got a problem with her, act rational, don't act like what you hate.
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,
"No. She's an entertainer."
Then why did Richards (Kramer) get slammed for called someone a nigger? In fact he was working at a COMEDY club when he said that, not at a figgin' CPAC.
Because he didn't say it as part of his routine. He said it as an angry man, with intent to hurt. Sort of like you insult me farther down the post.
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Oh, and just so you know who some of the OTHER speakers were at the CPAC: Vice President Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, Rudy Guiliani, Senator Jim DeMint, Senator Sam Brownback, Represenative Tom Tancredo, and Newt Gingrich.
So? I don't agree with what Ms. Coulter said at CPAC, just sort of surprised at the exceptionally low tone of the response in this thread.
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Yeah, it was a mere comedy act at a comedy club. Sheesh.
An insulting joke by someone who makes a living being insulting. Sounds like an act to me.
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You are stupid, pointless and wrong, as usual. Oh, and a propagandist.
Ms. Coulter couldn't have said it better herself. Congratulations, you have become what you hate.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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And yet, Geezer, it's more than that.
I agree that she fills a niche (see Barnum comment up-thread). She also represents conservatives. When she appears on MSNBC, or FoxNews, or CNN she's not billed as an entertainer. She's billed as a conservative commentator. Her column is carried by newspapers looking for a conservative voice.
So for all those principled conservatives out there, she's representing you and representing you often.
Do you think for one minute that CPAC would've asked her to speak two years in a row (at least) if they didn't think this is exactly what their audience wants? Judging from the reaction of the audience, this is what plays at eminent conservative gatherings.
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