The Saddest Calvin and Hobbes Sketch Ever
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, March 3, 2007 14:12
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All i'm sayin is that this discussion's gone off the deep end and is headed towards the pit.
So I felt the need to put up warning signs.
I can be pretty hostile* myself if my buttons are pushed, and there's been a lot of button pushin from everyone around here the past few, it's just getting nuts.
All I can do is say that, while hoping that everyone finds a solution to their own problems that works for them, really.
-Frem
*PS - If I've no intent to be neutral or reasonable about a topic, you'll note I usually mention that up front.
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Let me reply with a bit of truth - 6-string and CTS took it in that direction.
I don't take well to insults and don't mind replying in kind. SignyM has been a saint. If you have a problem with this thread, take it up with the perpetrators.
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Quote:It seems to me that a parent's duty is to do what is best for their child, and that a large part of figuring out what is best for the child is HOW THE CHILD IS DOING. That means throwing philosophy aside and taking a realistic look at what works and what doesn't especially when dealing with serious progressive issues.
All I can do is say that, while hoping that everyone finds a solution to their own problems that works for them, really.
In my experience- and believe me, I've had a shitload- I've learned to look in many different places for help. Sometimes it's a do-it-yourself effort. Sometimes it's a dangerous Rx. You try something. You give it your best for whatever time is required for the treatment to work. You keep an eagle-eye out for serious side effects. You have a fallback plan for how to stop in a hurry. But if it doesn't work... and I mean REALLY work... you move on to the next thing on your list because you don't fall in love with something just because it fits your philosophy.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Fine, forget it, ain't no point in reason anymore, then.
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UH, Frem,
I don't think you're giving SignyM enough credit.
When your little child walks into a corner and stands there staring with a glazed look b/c they can't figure out how to get out - they are in deep, deep shit. When I said that the problem SigyM's child had - and has - results in 'basket cases' it was a factual description. Along with unremitting seizures and other fun symptoms the child was becoming a vegetable week by week.
I don't know if you can imagine what it's like to watch your child look at you with confusion and fear as they grow more and more confused each day. To watch whatever makes them a person disappear.
Since I know SignyM personally, I can say I have watched the endless struggle with the doctors and insurance comnpanies and researchers to get the necessary help. Even though it was ALL experimental.
It was, and is, far beyond a do-it-yourself situation addressable with potions and nostrums.
And I hope whatever ire you have to me doesn't transfer to SignyM, b/c of all posters on this board, SignyM's the one who deserves it least.
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Frem, what did I do or say that was so unreasonable? I speak from experience. So does CTS. I detailed ny experience, and I didn't use ad hominems or name-calling. But it seems like you're allowing CTS far more latitude than you're allowing me, and that just doesn't seem fair. So show me- in detail- where I went wrong in your book.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Whenever you're ready Frem.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Originally posted by SignyM:
You are truly misunderstanding me.
Quote:Oh no. I have no faith in the FDA either, remember? I had assumed YOU had faith in the FDA. But since your "faith" in the FDA is limited to prescription medication (and forgive me again if I am interpreting your position incorrectly), forget that I mentioned the FDA re homeopathy.
Are you citing the government to prove your point? I have no faith in FDA oversight of supplements and alternative medicine since their regulations in that arena are extremely weak.
Quote:That's a good question. Of course, they use water that is as pure as possible to begin with. But whatever contaminant that was in the water initially would be diluted tens of thousands times more than the intended substance. At some point, the assumption is that even succussions can't retain the potencies of that much dilution.
AFA succussion- nonetheless, when a bottle of water is succussed, you are also increasing the potency of whatever ELSE happens to be in the water. N'est pas?
Quote:Actually, this would apply to my child who was not thriving. He was very sick, vomiting after every feeding, reflux, breaking out, diarrhea, and most importantly, not getting the nutrients he needed because of malabsorption. When our family physician recommended homeopathy, I was definitely hesitant. But she was persistent, so I figured, if something doesn't happen SOON, I can always move onto something else. We tried one remedy a week for 3 weeks. The remedies in the first two weeks improved his condition, but he would relapse and improve in a cycle. The remedy in the 3rd week did nothing all week. Then suddenly at the end of that week, his vomiting stopped. Just stopped like the faucet was turned off. And he never vomited on a regular basis ever again. It cured his vomiting. That was when I decided that homeopathy might be worth pursuing.
I place homeopathy near the bottom of my list because of it's hit-and-miss (at best) effectiveness. For issues that don't need treatment right away, fine. But playing around with treatments that require such lengthy experimentation may delay implementing an effective cure when time is of the essence. Like praying over a child with a burst appendix.
See, it isn't necessarily hit-or-miss, all or nothing. It's more like hit-or-near hit, all or almost all. If you have a skilled homeopath, the remedies that are close to the "right" one can give you improvement--just won't give you the cure. The "right" remedy can show steady improvement almost immediately, followed by a complete cure if you take it over time (depending on how chronic the disease is). A remedy that is close to the right one can give you steady improvement in some of your symptoms, or even a cure for some of your symptoms. The near hits just won't cure ALL of them permanently (which is the holy grail of homeopathy). They aren't completely useless though.
One friend had recurrent painful urinary tract infections. The first time she tried homeopathy, her pain disappeared in 10 minutes and the infection never came back. So, when it's a "hit," when you find that holy grail, it is really spectacular.
I don't mind messing around with near hits for a year or two while looking for THE HIT. You still get symptom relief with the near hits. To me, it is better than relying on drugs for symptom relief indefinitely.
Anyway, I've been using homeopathy with my son for 2 years. He is steadily approaching being cured. He started off with intolerance to all foods and an intractable inability to gain weight (fell SO way off the charts). He is now near 10th percentile, and is eating almost everything except for beef, eggs, and milk, with no other symptoms. He hasn't had any GI symptoms in over a year. I compare this to his peers on physician-prescribed formula, some of whom weigh more, but some of whom stay at 3rd percentile or below (even on formula). Many of them are also on steroids and antacids in
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Quote:Wow. I am completely surprised. First let me say I have never intended to attack you personally, or make snark comments. And I apologize for anything I may have said that made you feel attacked. Second, if I misunderstood you and mischaracterized you, I am also sorry. Sure I have some assumptions of you, but whenever you tell me the assumption is wrong, I try to apologize and move forward. I think the process has been reciprocal as well.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Frem, I feel a bit "bashed" by CTS myself. HER hostility is out there for everyone to see. She's injected snark and ad hominem where it has no business belonging and I've had to take deep breaths not to respond in kind, and by-and-large I think I've succeeded despite provocation. She has mischaracterized me in so many ways I don't know where to start...
Quote:Wherefore the word, IF. My point was if SOMEONE needed that, I support that person's prerogative to make that choice. Since you took it personally, I am sorry I used the word, YOU.
Now, if YOU need official endorsement before trying treatments, that is your choice to make (No, I don't)
Quote:You corrected me that "inconsistencies" was a much better word. Thank you. Listen, when you sit up late at night, sometimes the wrong word pops up. I hope you know I wouldn't spend all this time responding to you if I didn't have some basic respect for you and your opinions. I hope that you would give me the benefit of the doubt (that I am not attacking you) when I make mistakes like that.
...you still want to accuse me of sundry hypocrisies... (I didn't)
Quote:That is something we probably need to discuss further (maybe in a different thread?), because I am under the impression you have--not total faith, and definitely not blind faith--but some level of faith in govt and authority. If you don't, I would like to better understand your exact position on this point.
.. It was to point out that you have faith in govt (I don't, as I think you and everyone else on the board realizes)
Quote:For what it's worth, Frem and Signy, I do not feel bashed by Signy at all. Sometimes, there is a smudge of a hostile tone (for lack of a better word). But I think that comes with the limits of communicating in a forum like this. As Signy pointed out, hostile tones are also seen in my own posts, even when none were intended.
Mostly, if you read my posts, I ask CTS questions like: How does homeopathy work? How do you evaluate risk? Is that "bashing"? If it is, then I wish to be "bashed" in that fashion.
Now Rue, on the other hand...
And finally Frem, thanks for defending me when you thought I was being attacked. I've learned to ignore Rue, and Signy is just fine. But your "chivalry" is appreciated.
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