RE: Reagan the Hero- Iran/Contra; defend it if you can, NeoCon appologist morons!

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, August 31, 2026 18:11
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Actually that one's a noteable improvement in presentation with much better sourcing, but he's still gotta work on culling it down to the attention span of the average netcruiser.

Marked improvement, but a long way to go, sure.

He's not half as a crazy as you think he is.

On the interest of fairness, PN, have a go at Clinton in the other thread as well, wouldja ?

Be interestin to see the Foster Files if you have a link for em.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
That's rather harsh, and he speaks of you so highly.

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Like Fox and Pirate News I didn't check the validity of that information, I just reported it.

You decide.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Originally posted by Causal:
I'll grant you that you might shrug. But I think you'd have a hard time making the case that only the right has wacko-extremists who go apoplectic if you criticize the politician du jour. There are certainly people on the left that are every bit as extreme in their devotions as people on the right. There are people every bit as intolerant and offensive (to wit: I have, on this board, been told that burning Christians at the stake would be entertaining). It may be the case, Soup, that you are one of the folks on the left who doesn't by into the cult of personality being erected around, for instance, Hilary Clinton. But that doesn't mean that there aren't extremists on your side of the aisle, as well. I guess my real concern here is that once one side feels free to label the other as "moronic," they subsequently stop listening to what the other has to say. And pardon me if I'm terribly naive, but I happen to think that open dialogue among all sensible people (and not just those who agree with you) is the way to move the country forward.

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Sounds good in theory. But how many times do liberals have to be burned before they stop sticking their hands in the fire? I can turn on Rush Limbaugh, or pick up a book by Ann Coulter, or listen in to Fox News Channel and find out that I, as a self-described liberal, am a traitor. There are significant voices on the right that want to harm and ultimately silence tens of millions of Americans simply because of what we believe. And they have a huge audience. I see nobody in positions of authority, with a wide ranging audience and access to broad distribution avenues, on the left advocating for what prominent conservatives daily argue for. There absolutely are people on the left who are every bit as intolerant as those on the right. The big difference is that they have zero power, zero credibility, and zero platform. Whereas, on the right, the intolerant ones are the ones who have been running the show for the past twelve years. Be careful that you don't fall into the mainstream media trap of setting up false equivalencies in an effort for balance.

On a side note, I recommend that you look into the work of Bob Altemeyer (he's the researcher whose work John Dean - former Nixon lawyer and self-described "Goldwater conservative" - relied on heavily in writing Conservatives without Conscience). Dean asked Altemeyer to write a layman's primer to his decades worth of research on right wing authoritarians and Altemeyer is making that treatise available for free at the following link: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Here's some excerpts from the introduction:

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excerpted from http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
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But why should you even bother reading this book? I would offer three reasons. First, if you are concerned about what has happened in America since a radical right-wing segment of the population began taking control of the government about a dozen years ago, I think you'll find a lot in this book that says your fears are well founded. As many have pointed out, the Republic is once again passing through perilous times. The concept of a constitutional democracy has been under attack - and by the American government no less! The mid-term elections of 2006 give hope that the best values and traditions of the country will ultimately prevail. But it could prove a huge mistake to think that the enemies of freedom and equality have lost the war just because they were recently rebuffed at the polls. I'll be very much surprised if their leaders don't frame the setback as a test of the follower's faith, causing them to redouble their efforts. They came so close to getting what they want, they're not likely to pack up and go away without an all-out drive. But even if they temporarily fade from view, they will still be there, aching for a dictatorship that will force their views on everyone. The country is not out of danger yet.

The second reason I can offer for reading what f

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