The Saddest Calvin and Hobbes Sketch Ever
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, March 3, 2007 14:12
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First off, that isn't a real CALVIN AND HOBBES cartoon. I should know. I have every single one of the strips and don't recognize that one.
That being said, even without the pills, the cartoon does touch on that inevitable point when all of us transition from that innocence of childhood to the somewhat maturity of young adulthood. It actually reminds me of another kids lit classic that touches on this. In the last WINNIE THE POOH books (the original A.A. Milne books, not the Disney franchise prostitutes), the series ends with Christopher Robin growing up and leaving Pooh behind because he doesn't need him anymore. And it's considered one of the saddest pieces of literature ever written. In that context, the strip is just very well done fan art.
In regards to kids taking pills, I think that theres the opportunity for good use and abuse in situations like that. As a boy whose had his fair share of pills in his system, sometimes pills like that help. But in some cases, excessive medication would hurt rather than help a child out. GARDEN STATE is a great film that examines the effect pills like that can have on a child.
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"Have you ever fired two guns whilst jumping through the air?"
"No."
"Have you ever fired ONE gun whilst jumping through the air?"
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CTS
"I need to look at the original published research". If I may be so bold as to point out you never did find the original polio research or indeed original research on several other items.
Going past that though, what do YOU recommend for your paranoid schizophrenic family member? Herbs? Foods? Meditation? And as a treatment do you recommend these for life, the same way medication would be recommended for life? Or do you think there is an actual and natural 'cure' for that illness?
The reason why I ask is b/c I've had ADD/ADHD ever since I can remember, heading on six decades. I'd like to think I'm reasonably intelligent and self-aware. And it's something Ive been dealing with all this time. From the negative emotional fallout (why can't I do what other kids do, why am I always screwing up ??) to the ceaseless and stressful internal noise to the difficulties doing things like getting through college+. I have tried elimination diets, fish oil, meditation, neural programming, vitamins - whatever you can bring up, I've probably been there. And NOTHING works quite as well as Ritalin. If there were answers out there, I'd recommend people should try the most innocuous first before going onto the heavy duty stuff.
But I see that there AREN'T answers out there - not for autism, seizures, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or even ADD/ ADHD. And to deny treatment to a child suffering from a disorder is cruel. That's why I think they should be included in their treatment plan when ever possible. These problems do cause physiological stress - because the neurological gears are grinding all the time. And effective treatment does reduce stress, making life better for the child.
Whenever possible the child needs to be asked - which way is better?
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Quote:Yes, definitely. I believe profit and greed are undoubtedly part of the problem.
Originally posted by citizen:
I'm asking if you think making public health a buisness is responcible for the uniquely American dependence on mass medication?
I am not sure though, that government-controlled public health would be that much better. I don't know that overdependence on pharmaceutical products is unique to America. I still see it in other countries, just not as severe as here.
Just my opinion.
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Quote:Private Health has two drives, profit and health care because health care gives them profit. They want people to be ill so they can charge them for treating them. Public health wants people to be well. When someone is treated on a public health scheme they don't make any money out of treating sick people, so they obviously want to stop treating them as soon as they are well, because any superfluous treat makes the public health trust out of pocket. It's a fundamental difference, private health wants you to be ill ALL the time because that's how they make money, public health wants you to be well all the time, because that way they don't lose money.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
I am not sure though, that government-controlled public health would be that much better. I don't know that overdependence on pharmaceutical products is unique to America. I still see it in other countries, just not as severe as here.
I've not seen anything like the American desire to be on drugs anywhere in the world outside of a University Dorm. The most comparable situation I can think of here is how so many people demand Antibiotics to cure they're cold because the halfwits don't realise Antibiotics do bugger all to Viruses, and most of the time getting angry at the GP for not giving it too them.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Psychiatry is one solution of several possible solutions. But our medical and govt authorities tell us that psychiatry is the ONLY and BEST solution to serious, organic mental illness. That is what I don't buy. That is what everyone else believes. That is where we disagree.
And it's ok that we disagree. I have no wish to force my views on anyone else. I hope that clarifies where I stand.
Actualy I don't disagree with the above quote. We've only scratched the surface when it comes to less evasive treatments for lots of conditions. Your tone in that post to 6 string seemed a little conscending that's all.
"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx
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Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Psychiatry is one solution of several possible solutions. But our medical and govt authorities tell us that psychiatry is the ONLY and BEST solution to serious, organic mental illness. That is what I don't buy. That is what everyone else believes. That is where we disagree.
And it's ok that we disagree. I have no wish to force my views on anyone else. I hope that clarifies where I stand.
Actualy I don't disagree with the above quote. We've only scratched the surface when it comes to less evasive treatments for lots of conditions. Your tone in that post to 6 string seemed a little condescending that's all.
"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx
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@canttakesky:
You keep saying there are alternatives yet you aren't providing us with this knowledge. How about providing an alternative to a med. Say, Lithium or Prozac. Or an alternative treatment to to say, Schizophrenia.
Oh, and keep in mind that just because something is natural (herb or otherwise), does in no way shape or form mean that it isn't as dangerous or addictive (or more so) as conventional meds. After all, the studies for most of this stuff is still pending.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
How about providing an alternative to a med. Say, Lithium or Prozac. Or an alternative treatment to to say, Schizophrenia.
There are any number of alternatives to lifelong dependence on psychoactive medication. It is a matter of trial and error to see if which combination works best, if any at all. Here are some alternatives that have worked for some people.
1. Behavioral modification, psychotherapy, occupational therapy. For some high-functioning people, sometimes lifestyle accommodations is all that is needed. For example, one professional with schizophrenia has a few bad weeks about 2x a year. He can feel the breakdown coming on, and he takes off for those weeks. When they're over, he goes back to work--without meds. Some people with schizophrenia improve their functioning significantly when they learn certain social skills, how not to "act crazy," to compensate for their illness. They learn not to speak of certain topics and find other outlets (such as diaries) for their delusions. Patient education is often used with or without meds in mental hospitals, so this supplemental approach is very mainstream.
2. Orthomolecular medicine, including high doses of vitamin C and/or diet changes.
http://www.orthomed.org/pauling2.html
http://www.4optimallife.com/Alternative-Medicines-Cures-For-Schizophre
nia-Mental-Illness.html
3. Antibiotics and more specific and accurate diagnosis. Too often, anyone who presents with chronic florid psychosis is diagnosed with mental illness with there is another underlying pathology occurring. At one conference, I heard a story about a psychiatrist who brought her son for specific testing after all neuroleptics had failed to work. It turned out he had a severe infection of chlamydia, which was cured by antibiotics. His psychosis disappeared.
http://aetiology.blogspot.com/2005/09/study-reinforces-link-between.ht
ml
http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-05/features/behavior/
4. Homeopathy. Homeopathy has a 200 year old record of working very well with mental illness.
There are more options, but if you are seriously interested, you can google them as well as I can. This gives you the basic idea.
This site has a bunch of testimonials of people who have successfully tried alternatives.
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/testimonials/default.htm
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Nullius in verba. (Take nobody's word.)
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Some of it's cureable by fixing the source of the problem rather than the symptoms.
Case example: Alan.
Alan was considered neurotic and paranoid, and possibly agoraphobic... wouldn't go outside, was somewhat fearful of everything, but most especially other people.
Would go mute, clam up, wouldn't talk to folk.
Some kindhearted friend of the family took him for a picnic outing, and had a long talk with him.
The next day said kindhearted friend ambushed the thing that was MAKING Alan neurotic and dragged it's ringleader to the local police station and filed charges.
And again, the next day, when they decided to escalate and retaliate.
And again, till the message got across to the parents, who were going to be held responsible if there was ever a next time past that.
Alan's in college now, working on his MBA, and will probably graduate summa cum laude.
That's a rather, erm... "polite" summary of events, mind you, i'm sure you can figure the details yourself.
THIS is the kind of problem that is often medicated, a real-world problem with a real-world cause that needs to be addressed, but no one will bother or dare.
And no, I don't care if said punks are 1/4 of my size either, anymore than I care about crushing a poisonous viper while it's still defenseless in it's shell.
Some of em grow out of it, and become decent folk, and some of em grow into it, and become monsters... and we let it happen.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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CTS,
You seem to be more interested in the purity of your ideology than in health, even the health of your children.
Your links are AT BEST anecdotal rarities and hypothetical speculations. AT WORST they are frauds perpetrated by the greedy on people looking for hope. But then, you were the one who said the cancer-striken boy would be cured in Mexico. And it didn't matter to you one whit his tumor was growing under said 'treatment'.
As I said above, it's always good to start with the most innocuous treatment (unless it's an emergency). But to rule out ANY medication as you have done is patently delusional. No wonder you have such a grotch against the 'fascist' CPS. You probably spend a lot of time looking over your shoulder.
BTW I think you don't have the guts to try your daughter on meds. Because it MIGHT improve the quality of her life. And she'd a happy camper, but then where would you be?
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