The Saddest Calvin and Hobbes Sketch Ever

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
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RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 6:41 AM

6-string

"... who is fairly oppositional"
"what the fuck did you call me?
Just kiddin Rue, in a not really kidding so much kinda way. Thanks for being there to argue with. I grow quite tired of my own voices arguing amongst themselves all day."

And do you know why I said that? For the same reason I called the speed of light a speed limit for PN. I knew you'd jump for it.

You too have become predictable.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 7:00 AM

No, It actually went:

"... who is fairly oppositional"
"That's the pot calling the kettle black.

Just kiddin Rue, in a not really kidding so much kinda way. Thanks for being there to argue with. I grow quite tired of my own voices arguing amongst themselves all day."

Guess you missed that.

I'm glad you've figured me out, because I'm completely unstable and I don't really know which personality is in control at any time.

And who the hell is Sigmanunki anyways? I appreciate that you want to come in here out of nowhere and defend your friends, but may I remind you that nobody in here is pointing a gun to anybody's head and making them read or type anything in the RWED. I will not censor myself and I will not back off. If you can't take the heat...... you know the rest.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 7:43 AM

And about Marijuana. Nice to know somebody is finally suing the government for spreading lies:

http://worldandnews.blogspot.com/2007/02/government-sued-for-marijuana
-lies.html

I wonder what else they could be lying to us about.....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 23, 2007 10:44 AM

This being one reason why I tend to just plain stop discussing things at a certain point.

Sure, everyone's got an opinion, but no one seems to respect anyone elses and that's problem that leads to all manner of ugly, doesn't it.

While only vaguely related to the topic, something you said Jack, struck on an issue i've struggled with pretty hard in school and life with, concerning math.

A little-known phenomenae that seems to come along and make trouble for folks with the thought process we seem to share, Jack, is commonly known as a Dyscalculic Sequencing Disorder.

Things don't occur to you and me in a 1-2-3-4-5 fashion like they do most people, more like 4-3-5-2-6 and sometimes all at once, which is why we come across to other folk so badly, because all the thoughts rush though at the same time and get tangled with each other during the expression thereof - no harm in it, in fact as far as art or poetry goes, this leads to some pretty decent writings and innovative expression.

But it makes high end math just about impossible, sure - for my own solution I use a high-speed linear common math analysis to solve stuff that most folk would use an equation for, as workarounds go, it's a right good one given the speed with which most Dyscalcs can crunch common math numbers.

As far as getting things across to others goes, especially here, try composing posts in notepad first, and then re-reading start to finish to see if it comes across in recognizable order, which tends to help a lot.

My issue with medicating such a thing personally, is that it would impact one of my sources of income, I do small engine repair at an almost savant level of ability, and any mind-altering meds, even post-surgey painkillers, cut directly into my ability to do the job... so for me that's never an option.

If we're as similar as we seem to be Jack, you might wish to explore small engine and appliance repair, I rather think you'll quickly be shocked by your own aptitude in it.

Just some thoughts.

Oh, yeah... and..

STOP BEIN MEAN TO EACH OTHER
*whew*
Had to get that out... ain't no cause nor reason for it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 12:25 PM

Uhm, Frem you come across OK.

I was yanking Jack's chain a little. Not that I didn't mean what I said, but I was using words that he'd respond to - which he did.

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6string

You are making judgements on people and situations of which you have NO idea. And when they come back with their own expereinces (about which they have infinitely more knowledge than you) all you do is castigate them. And the only one here making a one-size-fits-all argument would be - you.

If any one of us were saying 'put ALL the little tykes on meds !' you'd have a point. But were not saying that. People are making nuanced arguments about specific problems and individual experiences. Again, the only one making blanket statements is you.

So, here are some of the things you said to people who were so bold as to make extraordinarily limited claims for the potential usefulness of drugs based on their own experience:

Wow! I can't believe the overwhelming positive response to altering our children's behavior and crippling our children's creative development
there is simply no talking sense into anybody who is pro-mind altering drugs
You all want to be slaves to the pharmacuitical companies
f your children are on the pill, they are doomed to be EXACTLY like everyone else in the herd...... merely docile puppets and yes-men

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Dude, really, who's being an a-hole?

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 23, 2007 1:42 PM

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Uhm, Frem you come across OK.

Trust me, you have no idea how much work goes into making that happen.

It wasn't till I thought about "communicating with the normals"* as an actual skill to be worked at and mastered that I sounded like anything but a ranting lunatic to most folk.

Six isn't pissed that individual, adult people medicate, or see the need to, and choose to - he's pissed about the overblown en-masse medication of kids who in many cases haven't even had a proper diagnoses, something I fully agree with him about, although in long thought on it, I think it oughta be the doctors ass being kicked over it, cause it's downright medically negligent to write a scrip without a proper diagnostic procedure, but that's just my opinion.

For them that truly needs it, fine - but just deploying off-label psychotropics en masse to an entire generation without properly researching the causes of the behavior they're trying to medicate away is dangerous, and a scary kind of dangerous when combined with the nature of Big Pharma and "Mandatory" forced-compliance measures...

It's not that much further down THAT slope to calling opposition to the current social and governmental regime a "disorder" that needs "treatment" muchlike happened in the former soviet union.

And that, Rue... scares the everliving crap out of folk like me and Jack, which causes us to respond in a very aggressive fashion to what we feel is a direct threat to our personhood, so for my own part I forgive the overblown hostility once I understand the cause behind it, just like I do with other folk around here.

It's not in our nature to admit fear of anything, but rather to attack it's cause in hopes of destroying it's ability to harm us.

Folks need to draw a harder line here between the individual, case by case basis on which such medication SHOULD be assessed and dispensed, and the bulk en-masse 'solution' society seems to favor at this time - or there's zero hope of rationally discussing this because those two concepts are mutually exclusive.

I dunno that I really have anything beyond that useful to add here.

-Frem

*No offense intended to anyone, there.

RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:37 PM

"Folks need to draw a harder line here between the individual, case by case basis on which such medication SHOULD be assessed and dispensed, and the bulk en-masse 'solution' society seems to favor at this time - or there's zero hope of rationally discussing this because those two concepts are mutually exclusive."

That I get. (I also get the 'talking to 'normals' as a special skill, which I also had to learn in order to be able to relate to most people socially. And which is still a 'policy' I maintain, not a natural thing.)

What do you think of letting the child have a say? Kind of like getting glasses - which way this better, this way, or this? There are children who go on medication who are relieved to be on it. Not b/c they're making their parents happy but b/c they're more capable and they feel better.

PS One of the reasons why I don't think meds are so bad is b/c they wear off.

JLIN13

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:52 PM

no Robot Chicken fans out there? surprised this hasnt shown up

KHYRON

Friday, February 23, 2007 5:08 PM

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Originally posted by jlin13:
no Robot Chicken fans out there? surprised this hasnt shown up

They obviously didn't give him enough pills.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

FREDGIBLET

Friday, February 23, 2007 6:34 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Uhm, Frem you come across OK.

Trust me, you have no idea how much work goes into making that happen.

Is it wrong that I was ROFLing to this?

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he's pissed about the overblown en-masse medication of kids who in many cases haven't even had a proper diagnoses, something I fully agree with him about

And like most of us keep saying, we agree that there is a problem with over medication. The issue that comes up is that he insists that no one should give their children medication, despite the testimonies of several people who say that either they or someone close to them has succeeded in life because of the medication they received.

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For them that truly needs it, fine - but just deploying off-label psychotropics en masse to an entire generation without properly researching the causes of the behavior they're trying to medicate away is dangerous

But here's the thing while you are trying to figure out WHY, the kids are setting themselves up for a life of failure. I'm pretty sure that there are people looking into WHY, but in the meantime we give out medication to give these kids a shot at being functional in society.

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