The Saddest Calvin and Hobbes Sketch Ever

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, March 3, 2007 14:12
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SIGNYM

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:01 AM

6String- let me give you an example of how very wrong you are about drugs disabling people.

I take antidepressants because years of unremitting stress finally drove my brain chemistry bonkers. Not only does it help me cope with and plan for my daughter's future in a VERY predatory society without universal health care, it also helps me....

...here's the kicker....

....change society by becoming politically active and- if necessary- plan for the day when we might up and move someplace else far away, where people know that civilization and society are good things.

You're in more of a box than we are. You're in a box of your own opinion, undistorted by reality

SIMONWHO

Friday, February 23, 2007 3:50 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You're in more of a box than we are. You're in a box of your own opinion, undistorted by reality

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Calvin and Hobbes rules, doubly so as Bill Watterson didn't sell out. The strip posted at the top of the page is basically someone insulting an artist, particularly when they can't even execute the insult very well.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:08 AM

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
There is also no talking sense into someone so wrapped up in your own opinion that you can't understand that these drugs help people. The amazing thing is that there are people on this board AND IN THE POSTS YOU HAVE MADE that have stated unequivocally that the drugs have helped make them functional in society, yet you insist that giving these kids a chance to succeed in life is a bad thing.

Of course it helped them. Would you continue to pay for and use something you didn't believe was helping you? I have no doubts as to the potency of the drugs. I never said they were placebos.

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Ritalin is no where near as bad as coke, heroin or meth. And as for weed, shrooms, LSD and the like, as long as my kids don't go overboard I see no reason to not let them use them, though I would never OFFICIALLY support the use of illegal drugs.

Never tried LSD Heroin or Meth before.... so I couldn't speak to them... otherwise I can't argue your point one way or the other. I'm happen to be very pro-weed though, and I have no problem stating that officially. Aside from its many medical benefits and the industrial uses of hemp, it aids in the creative process and, let's face it, its basically illegal for the simple reason that any one of us could grow enough seasonally in our tomato gardens to last us all year, with a surplus. How many people would be clammoring for drugs from Big Pharm if we were all able to medicate ourselves?

I still laugh about the day that 'somebody' planted pot seeds in the police station garden and it took them quite a while to even notice that they were growing their own stash. I'm guessing that it was a concerned citizen that had to point it out to them. Big dummies.

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Very true, but the other ways can take months if not years and will likely be no where near as effective. In the meantime the kid is still falling behind and causing problems and setting themselves up for a life of failure and hardship. I would be interested to know if you have actually had a close friend or family member who has\had ADD, my guess is that you haven't.

I know my Mom and step-father are both on Prozac, and they're unbearable shits. As I said before, I'm positive that doctors would tell me that I have ADD or ADHD. I do know other people who think they have ADHD, but because I don't believe in ADD or ADHD this point is moot.

My mind focuses on a million different things a day and sometimes it really is hard to focus on what's important. I happened to get really good grades in school growing up, but only because I was able to hyperfocus on something (my studies) and neglect everything else (social behavior, relationships). This is simply the way my mind works and I refuse to believe it's a disorder because somebody trying to sell me pills says that it is.

All of those good grades I got growing up haven't done shit for me. My brother got straight C's and D's and we both work together at the same job now. He always had tons of friends wheras I really only ever had a few. Nearly straight A's through 12 years of public school (what a joke) and I've got a $32,000/yr job babysitting computers and talking to you everyday and a shitty 8 year old car and an apartment. I have to constantly watch stupid assholes move up because of who they know. I don't have any such connections.

I could have been learning a trade growing up and had been on my way to mastering it by now if I wasn't forced to go to school. I think that these kids with supposed problems, as I've said before, are gifted. Insted of feeding them pills we should find a way to make their minds work for them, and for society. They are not broken, the system is broken. Putting a kid that has a hard time focusing on meaningless bullshit in a textbook by feeding them pills is just trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Give me something I'm interested in and I can give it my undivided attention for practically every waking minute

RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:37 AM

You seem intent on making distinctions that may not exist.

What is a seizure but brain activity going awry and causing abnormal behavior? How is that different from other brain acitvity that may be going wrong and causing abnormal behavior?

You seem to think that a lot of this is a matter of choice, of individuality, and will. Those all sound like reasons 'thunk' up by someone who is fairly oppositional. That NOT conforming is your primary goal no matter what the problem.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

FREDGIBLET

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Of course it helped them. Would you continue to pay for and use something you didn't believe was helping you? I have no doubts as to the potency of the drugs. I never said they were placebos.

But you have said that they don't help people.

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let's face it, its basically illegal for the simple reason that any one of us could grow enough seasonally in our tomato gardens to last us all year, with a surplus

Actually weed is illegal because at one time the bigshots in the cotton and tobacco industries had relatives in Congress. Instant illegality.

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I know my Mom and step-father are both on Prozac, and they're unbearable shits

Which is of course the sole fault of the drugs right?

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I do know other people who think they have ADHD, but because I don't believe in ADD or ADHD this point is moot

Damn, and you say that us "science-types" are arrogant, you know better than biochemists and doctors? Whether or not ADD is an actual defect or not isn't really relevant, the issue is that there are people who are not functional in an academic or business setting because of the symptoms that we call ADD. These people recieve treatment to make them functional in those settings so that they can succeed in life.

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This is simply the way my mind works and I refuse to believe it's a disorder because somebody trying to sell me pills says that it is.

How about because people whos job is to understand the way the human body works say that your chemistry is outside the human norm?

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All of those good grades I got growing up haven't done shit for me

Grades before college are only really good for getting into college, grades in college are actually important.

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I could have been learning a trade growing up and had been on my way to mastering it by now if I wasn't forced to go to school

I would not be against an apprenticeship style program personally, the problem is that so many people don't have a clue what they want to do with their lives.

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I think that these kids with supposed problems, as I've said before, are gifted. Insted of feeding them pills we should find a way to make their minds work for them, and for society. They are not broken, the system is broken

The system isn't broken, it works for 90% (or more) of the people, it is unfortunate that it doesn't work for some people but the needs of the many come before the needs of the few.

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As for your child, this is a completely different beast, and I think you know that I can differentiate the two

But they are mind-altering drugs, how can you possibly support giving a child mind-altering drugs, you monster.

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Love me or hate me, I'm not a heartless bastard

And yet you would deny thousands of children the ability to succeed in life.

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I still think there are may other avenues that could have been chosen and that that was the easiest one

And? Easy, quick and reliable, beats hard, slow and unreliable any day. Most people don't want to spend their entire lives battling an affliction, especially if there is a cure handy.

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I'm glad that we can at least agree that there is overmedication occuring

No one on either of your posts on the subject has disagreed with this, you just take it way too far.

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, other than you did what you needed to get where you feel you need to be

I think the point she is trying to make is that she couldn't have done it without her medication.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 4:42 AM

Hoo boy...... I hate Scientologists, but I hope we get a few in office that will start regulating this irresponsible drug abuse.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, February 23, 2007 5:28 AM

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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 6:02 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

Awwwwwwww.... just look at him. So tiny and cute and so angry.

Take a pill little guy

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 23, 2007 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Those all sound like reasons 'thunk' up by someone who is fairly oppositional.

Just kiddin Rue, in a not really kidding so much kinda way. Thanks for being there to argue with. I grow quite tired of my own voices arguing amongst themselves all day.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, February 23, 2007 6:34 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

My thoughts exactly.

6ix, you really need to learn when to back off.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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