ADHD.... Real disorder, or clever way to get us all on pills for life?

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:03
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RUE

Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:10 AM

I'm a communist? Oh, OK.

FREDGIBLET

Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:22 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
I'm a communist? Oh, OK.

Yes, because anyone who doesn't accept the absolute supremancy of capitalism in any and every circumstance is a dirty, filthy, godless, evil, red, freedom-hating, COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!

RUE

Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:35 AM

Then I must have signed up at some point when I thought I was just signing a petition at the grocery store entrance.

I'd have a problem with the 'dirty, filthy' part tho 'cause I like my showers and clean teeth and clothes. I guess I'll need to change my thinking from agnostic to aetheist. And if I'm to be evil I should stop taking care of family and frieneds when they need it. And I'm not red, I'm more of a pinkish-beige shade. I guess I'll have to do something about that. Plus I'll have to praise Bush, GITMO, the US PATRIOT Act and everywhere freedom is curbed, which really would irk me.

Man, this being a "dirty, filthy, godless, evil, red, freedom-hating, COMMUNIST" is hard work !

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:37 AM

Signym - Thank you for your post. This is the first reasonable argument that I have heard in here from the other side, and I was quite frankly getting a little scared of the science types basically telling me that nothing is science's fault and that even though there is no arguements that science will likely end society one way or another, this was simply attributed to human nature in such a cavalier way that it chills me to the bones.

I would think that at least a small minority of the world's brightest minds would be there trying to make sure that this doesn't happen. A sort of checks and balances, if you will. Just the fact that somebody as reasonable as you is here to say your piece gives me hope here that maybe there are some people who have a few scruples and will do what they can to ensure that science won't be used by man against mankind.

Frem - Where would I be without ya? Why are you the only person that understands me in here? Are my ideas so scrambled and all over the map that I just don't convey my opinions correctly. I was thinking that everyone in here was bullheaded and arrogant, but perhaps I just have a hard time getting my point across because I'm seeing so many things happen from so many different angles from outside of the box that it's impossible for me to be concise about it. Perhaps this is my shortcomming.

Anyhow.... I think that post was beautiful. I don't think I could have ever summed up my stance on science like that in under 150 words, and for that, I thank you.

Rue - Hey! Every once and a while we do agree on things and I'm happy to say that I can't find anything that you just said to argue about. I wouldn't say I'm a communist, but I'm pretty damned fed up with Capitalism myself. The lie that we can all strike it rich, when really it's just a tool used to keep all of the money in the fewest hands possible. Perhaps my views on science would be much different in a society that wasn't as greedy and materialistic as ours. If it were in the hands of leaders the people could trust to govern its applications.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:45 AM

6String- I keep noodling about human social behavior. There are a few consistent trends. Game theory has some things to say too. But our failures as a species and as a society isn't moral failing, just as ADHD isn't (always) a phantom diagnosis and isn't (always) ammenable to willpower.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:06 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
...But our failures as a species and as a society isn't moral failing, just as ADHD isn't (always) a phantom diagnosis and isn't (always) ammenable to willpower.

Our failures as a species isn't (always) a moral failing.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

CHRISISALL

Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:56 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Signym - Thank you for your post. This is the first reasonable argument that I have heard in here from the other side, and I was quite frankly getting a little scared of the science types basically telling me that nothing is science's fault

6ix, science is our religion, not that carpenter and his vengeful father!!!! You wanna blame someone, blame youself, you science-hating, chemical fearing, anti-technologist!!! Grab a club and start beating your females to drag them back to your f**king cave, you dumb biped!!!!

P.S., just kidding- I didn't want ya to miss the contentiousness and ad-hominem attacks the RWED has become SO famous for, heh heh.

Science is a tool, and so is Chrisisall

RUE

Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:13 AM

Oh!

Uhhh ... let me try ...

Chrisisall,

why just look at your name, you must think you're such a universal know-it-all science smarty-pants ... uhhh (man this is tough) ...

whatEVER

that didn't go well

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:18 AM

Ha! I thought you were serious for a minute and then I realized that you're just way too good natured to say such things.... and then I read the Just Kidding.

And just like Science and Religion, we're all just a bunch of tools. You're in good company. Some of us are more useful than others, and some are just broke.

Don't worry about me missing the contentiousness and ad-hominem attacks the RWED has become SO famous for. I believe that I've been right in the thick of that for the last couple of weeks.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREDGIBLET

Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
basically telling me that nothing is science's fault

Science is a tool nothing more, it is uncaring unfeeling and incapable of acting on its own, science holds no blame because (like a gun) it requires a PERSON to wield it. Science holds no fault in the actions of people, yet because of your pre-existing prejudices you refuse to look past the tool and adress the root of the problem. You would not blame a gun for shooting someone, yet you blame science when PEOPLE use it to negative ends, yet again and again you say that science is at fault for the problems of the world. And if you want to argue that we have gun laws to keep guns away from criminals, remember that our gun laws utterly fail to do so and only serve to inconvienience people who want them for legitimate purposes.

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maybe there are some people who have a few scruples and will do what they can to ensure that science won't be used by man against mankind.

This is (at least one of the reasons) why we don't sell the secrets to making nuclear bombs or chemical weapons to who ever wants them. Believe it or not the VAST majority of the people in charge don't want to have a holocaust on their hands.

This seems to be the fundamental disconnect, you seem to think that everyone who has knowledge (this "Science" you keep talking about) wants to use it against mankind, but that simply isn't true, the vast majority of people with access to the powerful destructive tools that exist do NOT want to use them and do NOT want anyone else to have them.

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Perhaps my views on science would be much different in a society that wasn't as greedy and materialistic as ours. If it were in the hands of leaders the people could trust to govern its applications.

Good luck with that, I know you don't like to hear it but human nature won't let you have the world you want without radical changes. In every civilization there MUST be a governmental structure, the problem is that the people who seek out power are the exact type of people that you don't want in charge. The only solution is to either eliminate knowledge or change human nature (PAX anyone?).

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