Doyle. & Angel .*Spoilers* (just in case you haven't seen season 1 yet )
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UPDATED: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 03:39
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just thinking of who died ( and stayed dead )in Joss's shows here...
Tara, Jenny Calander, Joyce Summers , Doyle, Cordelia, Wesley, Fred, Darla, Merle, Warren and Jonathan, Book, Wash, Lilah, Lindsey, .... y'all know the list. It seems to go on and on.
If the original poster of this thread didn't know Doyle died, why would you post a spoilery list of the casualties from all the shows??
Because I thought it said 'spoilers' in the subject line, and understood it as a warming for those who had NOT seen S1 yet ? The original poster DID know that Doyle had died.
I recently bought Angel & started watching season 1 ,which I haven't seen since it aired .What a difference from the teenage angst of Buffy.
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Where did you hear that from?
Joss has said many times that Doyle was intended to be killed off early, something he'd wanted to do since the start of Buffy (where he'd wanted to include Jesse in the opening credits of the pilot). And as cynical as I can be at times, I'm willing to believe him.
Unfortunately, I don't remember any specific sources off the top of my head, so unless someone else can provide some links, I guess you'll just have to treat it as "unconfirmed internet gossip".
Based on everything I've read over the years, tho, I strongly believe that Joss has said what he's said in order to take the high road, and not drag Glenn's name thru the mud (especially after his death). "Oh, yeah, I always intended to kill him off" is a much classier way of handling it than "We had to fire him because he was an unreliable junkie who couldn't make his call times." I'm sure that I've read somewhere a comment from David Fury where, without mentioning Glenn's name specifically, he pretty much came right out and said that that was the case.
To me, the most damning evidence of all is that after they killed him off, they never once brought him back to appear in an episode, even tho he lived another three years, and continued acting after "Angel". You've heard the joke about how once characters are killed in the Buffyverse, they seem to show up on screen even more than when they were alive. And yet as important a character as Doyle was, and as popular as he was, they never brought him back. There's gotta be a reason for that...
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Just thinking of who died ( and stayed dead )in Joss's shows here...
Tara, Jenny Calander, Joyce Summers , Doyle, Cordelia, Wesley, Fred, Darla, Merle, Warren and Jonathan, Book, Wash, Lilah, Lindsey, .... y'all know the list. It seems to go on and on.
If the original poster of this thread didn't know Doyle died, why would you post a spoilery list of the casualties from all the shows??
Because I thought it said 'spoilers' in the subject line, and understood it as a warming for those who had NOT seen S1 yet ? The original poster DID know that Doyle had died.
They knew Doyle had died because they just watched it, so I don't think there's any reason to assume they've seen all other seasons. And the thread title says 'spoilers just in case you haven't seen S1'.
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I have seen all of Angel , but not since it aired originally.I'm halfway through season 2 and I love this show.
I still miss Doyle though !
Bryce
Throw your dreams into space like a kite, and you do not know what it will bring back; a new life, a new friend, a new love, a new country. -Anais Nin
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Thursday, February 15, 2007 23:07
They knew Doyle had died because they just watched it, so I don't think there's any reason to assume they've seen all other seasons. And the thread title says 'spoilers just in case you haven't seen S1'.
You're not serious w/ all this stuff, are ya ? It's clear to anyone that " the original poster " had watched Angel S1 when it 1st aired. There was nothing indicating in the post that they didn't watch the rest of the series, as it aired...HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW ??
I'm a big fan of Doyle as well.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Ah I see. I misread the original post. Soz!
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Going on what I remember (which is fuzzy and may actually be imagination) Doyle was originally slated to appear throughout season one, his death being a part of the finale. The introduction of Wesley would have then occured in season 2. However, because of GC's drug problems they moved up the characters death with the possibility of him appearing in more episodes post-humously if he got himself clean. As his heroin overdose proved, he never did.
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I do not kill with my hand.
He who kills with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.
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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Going on what I remember (which is fuzzy and may actually be imagination) Doyle was originally slated to appear throughout season one, his death being a part of the finale. The introduction of Wesley would have then occured in season 2. However, because of GC's drug problems they moved up the characters death with the possibility of him appearing in more episodes post-humously if he got himself clean. As his heroin overdose proved, he never did.
I was late to the Angel party, so I didn't catch all the Doyle stuff until I rented the entire series. It was a few yrs after he left Angel that Glenn met his fate. I don't know any of the backstory, but it sounds like he just kept sliding more and more downward, until he was gone. I'm guessing only, that there were ups and downs with his recovery/ comeback....but it seemed like a rocky, hard road from his exit of Angel to Dec 3, 2002.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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As far as the death of Doyle is concerned I was pretty shaken by it and if that's what Joss intended then yeah he did his job. From that moment on I knew no character was safe and I think that was his intent. Every action within every following ep seemed more deadly for me. I knew Angel wouldn't die but I mean if Doyle who was essentially a co star died within season one...when is Cordie gonna go? Answer: Season 5...I loved Wes too he became my favorite character and I loved his character arc it was so beautifuly constructed that during his death scene I will completely admit to this that I'm a 20 year old guy who wouldn't think of himself as overly emotional but for some reason when Wes died I had tears in my eyes. Anyway killing off a character is Joss's way and that's the reason I say I hate Joss, but yet that's the reason I love him because he has the ability to make you care so much about his characters so that when they go you actually feel something from just sitting there watching a TV show. I am writting a TV show with a friend and maybe its the Joss in me but the most loveable character the one you're rooting for the whole way is in fact gonna die...In my opinion the death of a character that you love just serves to advance the story so much because its such a big deal to every other character and if written write the audience as well. While I did hate Doyle's death because I did like him and he was my favorite at the time I felt like there wasn't enough time to get to know him...I cared that he was dead and like I said it made everything more deadly and real but it could have been even better if Doyle had more time. Anyway: RANT OVER.
-DanielFyre
"real men juggle geese"
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