[quote]. Is the American the first benevolent superpower?..[/quote]

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Of course it's not in their best interests NOW. A point which I actually made quite clearly last post. Unlike America who has been talking about Anna Nicole Smith all week and you who is so wrapped up in current scientific discoveries, they have a plan for something beyond the weekend boozefest.

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And given that they're rise to super power is being supported by western trade, mostly with the US it's hard to see how it'll EVER be in their best interests.

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Don't be rediculous son. Are you suggesting that this all happened by accident and China was in the right place at the right time?

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Because believing they've been planning this for hundreds of years makes so much sense.

The way America became #1 super power was because she was in the right place at the right time, so it has precedent, your supposition does not.

And don't call me son, if I were your son I'd shoot myself.

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Tell that to Taiwan.

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Right after you tell Mexico America doesn't invade countries for imperial expansion.

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There could be many reasons for this isolation and secrecy, and not all of them benevolent, as you seem to suggest.

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I never implied any idea of benevolence. I'm sure they're isolating themselves for reasons all of their own, I doubt it's because they have a long term plan for world domination.

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This is not even remotely close to what you said. Here's a few of your quotes:

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Actually it is, the fact you can't read what I said and prefer to tell me what I said tells me all I need to know about you.

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Bullshit. No elaboration necessary.

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You don't know what you're talking about, no elaboration necessary.

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If by substantial, you mean an amount that should probably have Americans a little more concerned about than say, who is going to win American Idol, then I agree with you 100%. In the context you were using it, that statement is bullshit as well.

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no substantial as in if the Chinese called in the debt it would cripple the American economy, your supposition, as usual, is bullshit.

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But then you finish it with more bullshit. As I've said, and you argued with me that you agreed with, this would destroy China's economy as well and probably the entire world's economy.

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Is your reading comprehension that bad? I blatantly said that crippling the American economy would harm the Chinese then you say I didn't. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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There is no way you could ever prove the intentions of a government... EVER. This is conjecture in it's purest form and since for the most part, I do like my life, I would not be so welcoming to a change as you do. Not being part of the great Beast which is America, I can see why you would want somebody else heading the world though. Everybody loves an underdog.

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I never said I welcomed the change, I'm not enamoured of the idea, that's your inference because you can't handle anyone not thinking the same as you about everything. I just don't think it'll be the disaster that the true red blooded American patriots like you who have problems believing there was a world before America think it'll be.

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Awwwwwwww, did I get under your skin Sally?

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The day an ignorant borderline troll really gets under my skin would be the day indeed sweetheart.

Go back to flirting with women through email because you haven't the balls to do it in real life .

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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And leave you're not so clevely disguised borderline schitzophrenia and emotional hatred for anything outside of the US out of this.

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I can't help the Schitzo man. I've got 100 different personalities and they're all named Mark. Why don't you give me a pill science boy?

And I just have to laugh at my "hatered for anything outside of the US". I'm hardly a xenophobe, and I've never hid my contempt for my country's government and general attitude. I'm quite sympathetic to Iraq and the invasion they've gone through. I don't buy into this "pre-emptive" strike shit anymore than you do. Please don't lose sight that we do happen to agree on quite a bit outside of the realm of science because you're angry at me now.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And I just have to laugh at my "hatered for anything outside of the US". I'm hardly a xenophobe, and I've never hid my contempt for my country's government and general attitude. I'm quite sympathetic to Iraq and the invasion they've gone through. I don't buy into this "pre-emptive" strike shit anymore than you do. Please don't lose sight that we do happen to agree on quite a bit outside of the realm of science because you're angry at me now.

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I'm just attacking you in the same way you're attacking me. I can start calling you girls names as well if you like.

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Why don't you give me a pill science boy?

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Wow, give me a pill science boy. I sure dang wish I was as mature and intelligent as you.

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Originally posted by citizen:
And given that they're rise to super power is being supported by western trade, mostly with the US it's hard to see how it'll EVER be in their best interests.

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Again, that's because you aren't looking more than a few years in the future. They're banking over $18 Billion USD worth of foreign currency every month. At that rate there will be a day where they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

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Because believing they've been planning this for hundreds of years makes so much sense.

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Completely missing the point again. Chinese have the ability to plan much further ahead than materialistic societies like America and UK. They adapt very well too. World events change all the time and they adjust their plans accordingly. Why isn't India in position to be the next world superpower?

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Chinese intelligence and their ability to get where they have gotten today. Especially their unyielding attitude about their own currency. They are stubborn as hell and aren't going to allow the US government to bully them and debase their own currency. They are much more fiscally responsible than America, though I fear that may be in large part at the expense of their own peolpe.

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The way America became #1 super power was because she was in the right place at the right time, so it has precedent, your supposition does not.

And don't call me son, if I were your son I'd shoot myself.

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America surely did become the #1 superpower because of the right place at the right time. two large oceans protecting her. A relatively easy southern border with people with inferior technology to defend against, when our leaders actually choose to, Canadians and French up North. Barring current technologies, it would have been impossible to ever physically take over America (being why this is happening financially and politically now). Not to mention that our land was very fertile and the climate very favorable. I will not argue this point at all.

China, however, is a different ballgame altogether. They have none of the things which I mentioned above, at least not in the quanity and quality that America had. Add to that the insanely high population to govern and the situation is so far removed from America's rise to power that the rise to superpower couldn't even happen the same way. Their rise is not coincidental or the "right place at the right time". This is due to China's intelligence, planning, unwavering and diligence, and to suggest otherwise is an insult to the Chinese people.

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Right after you tell Mexico America doesn't invade countries for imperial expansion.

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America is not on trial here. I can't argue your point, because you're absolutely right, but you and I know that it had absolutely nothing to do with my brining up Taiwan. Could it be that I was right and this is your way of cleverly trying to change the subject?

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I never implied any idea of benevolence. I'm sure they're isolating themselves for reasons all of their own, I doubt it's because they have a long term plan for world domination.

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Well.... this is something that neither of us can really say either way, so I suggest we just agree to disagree for now and we'll see how it goes.

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Actually it is, the fact you can't read what I said and prefer to tell me what I said tells me all I need to know about you.

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It's not what you said. The overall tone of that paragraph was that China owns America, and though it would "damage" china economically, China could cripple America. I agree that generally we're saying the same thing, but the general tone downplayed the damage China would suffer and played up China's economic position. This is all in the present, of course, because I believe if we don't change things soon, China will be in the position that you implied in your general tone. I'm not being obtuse, I'm just saying that your wordin

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Again, that's because you aren't looking more than a few years in the future. They're banking over $18 Billion USD worth of foreign currency every month. At that rate there will be a day where they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

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Right. So it's conjecture for me to assume the Chinese aren't going to suddenly change their modus operandi and take over the world but it's not conjecture for you to forecast far into the future?

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Completely missing the point again. Chinese have the ability to plan much further ahead than materialistic societies like America and UK. They adapt very well too. World events change all the time and they adjust their plans accordingly. Why isn't India in position to be the next world superpower?

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They have less land, fewer resources and less 'disposable' work force than the Chinese have at their disposal. India hasn't had the investment of western business that China has had, and has only recently achieved independence. Not only that but India was split into India and Pakistan after colonial rule. India's a different situation that's why.

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I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Chinese intelligence and their ability to get where they have gotten today. Especially their unyielding attitude about their own currency. They are stubborn as hell and aren't going to allow the US government to bully them and debase their own currency. They are much more fiscally responsible than America, though I fear that may be in large part at the expense of their own peolpe.

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They're largely a command economy, though that's actually changing, really not a conspiracy.

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America surely did become the #1 superpower because of the right place at the right time. two large oceans protecting her. A relatively easy southern border with people with inferior technology to defend against, when our leaders actually choose to, Canadians and French up North. Barring current technologies, it would have been impossible to ever physically take over America (being why this is happening financially and politically now). Not to mention that our land was very fertile and the climate very favorable. I will not argue this point at all.

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Mostly it was actually being the only industrialised power left standing after the Second World War and thus being in a position to make goods for the rest of the world, going rich because she was the only supplier. There's also the fact that for a long time the US was making money from that conflict, in fact Britain is only now getting to the end of her Second World War debt to the US.

So the situations between China's rise and the US's aren't all that different. The US got to be #1 supplier by being the only supplier, China by being cheapest.

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China, however, is a different ballgame altogether. They have none of the things which I mentioned above, at least not in the quanity and quality that America had. Add to that the insanely high population to govern and the situation is so far removed from America's rise to power that the rise to superpower couldn't even happen the same way. Their rise is not coincidental or the "right place at the right time". This is due to China's intelligence, planning, unwavering and diligence, and to suggest otherwise is an insult to the Chinese people.

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Their current rise is solely to do with late in the game industrialisation, partly helped by Western, mainly US, investment to produce cheap goods for home markets. Not from hundreds of years of careful planning. If they had a long term plan why weren't they grasping the industrial revolution with both hands from day one.

All this just smacks of someone who desperately needs for there to be an over arching conspiracy theory in everything.

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America is not on trial here. I can't argue your point, because you're absolutely right, but you and I know that it had absolutely nothing to do with my brining up Taiwan. Could it be that I was right and t

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