ADHD.... Real disorder, or clever way to get us all on pills for life?
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:03
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I hear a new story about ADHD almost as often as I hear somebody on this site bashing America. And about half as much as Bush says something that just makes it easier to hate America and Americans.
ADHD..... Pretty much all of our kids have it. Now they've got half of us believing we've got it. To further their cause to make us believe that we all can't handle all of the stupid bullshit we've taken upon ourselves in this life which gets faster and faster every year, they've recruited a great looking spoksman for ADHD with that Tooltime schmuck I see smiling on all the ADHD ads.
I have an even harder time believing this is true than I do that we all need mandatory vaccinations for whatever the disease of the day is. I've even seen advertisements on TV saying that 1 out of every 166 kids born has autism. AUTISM!!!!!
1 out of 166 have Autism!
WTF? Man.... we keep letting science dictate our lives, especially considering they're always changing their minds anyways, we're all going to be on pills to modify our behavior from birth.
How about you tell me, once and for all, if milk from a cow is good for me or not before you start giving my baby anti-autism treatments... thanks.
I'm pretty sure that these kids are just the ones who would have been leaders of their smaller communities in days long gone. They are the most intelligent and outside of the box thinkers mankind has to offer, and yet, they're not needed in todays sociatial structure. In a world where any idiot can navigate via GPS and calculate numbers in the trillions and beyond in seconds via a solar calculator they got free for giving their peronal info over the web, who needs anybody that's got half a brain and a boatload of energy behind it anyhow? Aren't intelligent freethinkers boring anyhow with all their talk about things that can make your head hurt? Wouldn't you rather just watch American Idol on your Prozac and not think about anything important at all?
I really can't see how indoctrination and behavior modification via science and medicine is any improvement for the human race over indoctrination via religion.
Discuss.
EDIT: Here's the schumck I'm refering to. 
Yeah. They should call it Ty Pennington's Disease. What a corporate whore. What a tool.
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I'm basically chemical free and happy. I, personally, don't think pumping anyone full of drugs is the answer. I think there are better answers and I think I've found a lot of them. They're all very personalized and something you have to dig for and most people find that much too difficult to manage for themselves. That's about all I can contribute. You know, I'm not a doctor, so I'm not allowed to talk about anything outside my sphere of experience :-P
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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i think its a little of both; but IMO its mostly an attempt to dumb us down, drug us up, and to keep us in a docile, complacent trans-like state... in order to sidetrack us from whats really going on in the world. for one, the FDA is about as corrupt as they come anymore... just as an example, take milk(which you referenced), i found this excellent video(10min) about how FOX news deliberately covered up the story of the FDA approving BGH(bovine growth hormone)in the US.. while other countries banned it, due to controversial potential effects on humans.
i realize its not entirely on subject.. but i think its a useful premise to understand that the FDA has a reputation for seeking profit over safety; another example of this is aspartame, the artificial sweetener, which when first introduced was causing brain cancer in lab rats, but thanks to Rumsfield, and i believe it was Reagan.. the product made it to market after a coup detat at the FDA. the best thing anyone can do is become suspicious to the point of near-paranoi when it comes to federal government agencies, because there are some incredibly disgusting and traitorous things going on within the country
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For once I agree with ANTIMASON (yes, it's a "dear diary" moment).
Scare-tactics and sensationalism have been a weapon of the "Ruling class", whoever that happens to be at the time, for centuries if not millenia. Once upon a time the church told us that we would all go to Hell if we did'nt follow their dictrines and now "The establishment" tells us that we will all end up in a kind of living hell if we dont take our pills.
The answer? Who knows, but if you still have the choice as to wether or not to take the pills, have the vaccinations, drink the cola with Aspartame, then self-regulate. Excersise your right to choose and then excersise your right to get rid of the people that are forcing the choices on you in the first place.
The Romans had a phrase for the distraction of the masses back in the day: " Bread and circuses". Give the people enough food and free entertainment and they wont care whats happening in the big pcture.
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Quote:It's important to distinguish between science and a corporation that exploits scientific results for profit.
I really can't see how indoctrination and behavior modification via science and medicine is any improvement for the human race over indoctrination via religion.
It's also important to distinguish between the motives of religion and science. Religion wants to indoctrinate people (whether their reasons for doing so are well-meaning or not is irrelevant), whereas science wants to explore and understand the world around us. It has no vested interest in indoctrinating anybody - maybe in enlightening people by telling them how the world works, but this isn't indoctrination. The attempts at indoctrination via science and medicine happens via third parties (corporations, government, etc.).
Your comment should be:
"I really can't see how indoctrination and behavior modification via institutions (often with capitalist motives; which use results from science and medicine) is any improvement for the human race over indoctrination via religion."
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
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Thanks for the input PR. Don't see you venturing often this way. I reckon it might be because I posted it in what is now the newest Forsaken thread. You genuinely seem happy to me pretty much any time that I've had the pleasure of speaking with you. It's great that you manage to do that and keep yourself busy with things that you enjoy without having to resort to any types of drugs, wheather the pushers are blinged out and carrying handguns or are wearing labcoats and carry stethoscopes.
Personally, I find that the drug dealer who the government allows to advertize on TV is much scarier than your average bud slinger. I've never seen a warning for marajuana in my life, because it's illegal, but I know it would be a much shorter warning than any drug on the legal market, including alcahol. There is not one single recorded case of death from overdose of marajuana or mixing THC with another substance. I'm not trying to advocate marajuana here, though I admit to partaking myself. I am simply stating that it's pretty scary when you see the newest drug ads on TV telling you that the potential side effects, usually in "serious" cases, could include impotence and death...... nice. And yet, the sheeple continue to line up for their Soma and Viagrow.
Anti - As always I appreciate your input. I try to maintain a bit of moderateness myself when it comes to the conspiracy theories when I can because frankly, nobody will listen most of the time so it's not worth my effort to bring it up anymore and the more passionate I am about something, sadly, it seems that people turn their heads even faster. I agree with your opinions here completely and that story about the FDA does not suprise me in the least. If you could find a link for that and wheather it was indeed Reagan, that would be sweet.
Oldenglanddry - Geez.... Now I know my luck can't keep up here too much longer. You too! Damn straight about choice there.
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The answer? Who knows, but if you still have the choice as to wether or not to take the pills, have the vaccinations, drink the cola with Aspartame, then self-regulate.
Wonderful. SELF-REGULATE. I know that many, including myself, are not religious in here, but does that lack of faith mean that we are slaves to our desires? Do we not have free will do do what we believe is best for us? I know it's hard, but if we don't start doing it ourselves, then our collective governments WILL do it for all of us.
Khyron - I have to say that you especially suprise me. You seem to realize that there may be a problem here as far as indoctrination and forcing people to do things that they don't want or need to do... or at the very least, you never refuted this possibility.
Unfortunately you're trying to twist around the truth here a bit by saying some rhetoric I've heard in other threads and say that Science is a victim of my abuse here and is virtually faultless and blameless by nature. I must disagree with you very strongly here. Of course Science is a non living entity, completley incapable of thinking for itself or orchestrating an assault on people like the Terminator. But when it comes to defending Science from horrible and misunderstanding people like me who just revel in abusing it, you seem to conveniently forget all about how powerful Science truly is, and how you tout its undeniable power and truth when it serves your needs.
In the hands of the unscrupulous, which unfortunately usually have all of the funding which drives it, Science has been used as a weapon countless times against humanity. Ideally, you're right about Science. Guns don't kill people either, people kill people. I've had do defend a very similar battle here as well with your ability to arm yourself. I'm a firm believer in the right to bear arms. If only the rich were to have guns though while the poor were unarmed and they constantly used them to put holes in the poor, I might have to revise my stance on guns though.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't use Science, just as I don't
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I agree with you on this.....In my day there were no pills and medicines for anti-social behavior, just a long spell in after-school detention, and then some punishment from Mom & Dad....not the worst things in the world.
I also agree with your point of the absurd statistics that get thrown around these days...like the ADHD claims....would you believe that driving in to work today I heard on the radio a Psychiatrist ( talking about the Hardaway gaffe ) say that 1 out of 3 people are Gay!!!...Can ya believe that one?
Pumping people full of drugs is the exact same thing as what the Alliance did to its' citizens on Miranda.....or similar to the drug-based social lifestyles portrayed in Fahrenheit 451.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Thanks for the input PR. Don't see you venturing often this way. I reckon it might be because I posted it in what is now the newest Forsaken thread. You genuinely seem happy to me pretty much any time that I've had the pleasure of speaking with you. It's great that you manage to do that and keep yourself busy with things that you enjoy without having to resort to any types of drugs, wheather the pushers are blinged out and carrying handguns or are wearing labcoats and carry stethoscopes.
Yeah... *looks around nervously* I don't come down here much, but sometimes I'll throw in an opinion. I just don't debate. I've read some of the debates here; I'm so not that person. But i had my response to this all written from General, so I just moved it over...
I am happy. And when I'm not happy I'm content. Barring flashes of annoyance, that's about where I am.
I have nothing against science, I don't even have anything against proper use of the proper drugs, I just don't see proper use or proper drugs anywhere in Western medicine, just the highest bidder treating people as lab rats. It bothers me more than a little. Eastern medicine seems more on the ball to me, and a lot of that can barely be called 'drugs'...
Anyway, I stand where I stand and I'm never gonna let them drug me.
*scampers out*
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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I think it would be blind to say that ADHD-type medicines aren't being over-prescribed, especially to children. While there are some children (and adults) who require some medication, in conjunction with counseling and the like, most folk these days simply never learn things we used to take for granted, like self-discipline, self-control, responsibility, respect of self and others, just plain lack of expectation that *everything* should be easy and convenient at all times! And these are things that are taught by parents, caregivers, older siblings, cousins & friends, teachers and mentors - taught directly and by example, and reinforced by societal messages.
Unfortunately, things are very different now than they used to be. Life moves so very fast around us that shortcuts become very tempting, and there is a pervasive sense that hard work is no longer rewarded with the good things in life, but only by even more work. We are prime targets for the 'easy solution', whether it is a pill to keep you up, put you down, make your kid behave, make your friend happy, make your weigh drop...
We could resolve a lot of issues within ourselves and our families if we only took the time... and woke ourselves up from the "I need a big house, three cars, a plasma TV and brand new furniture every year" mode of living. Ever seen that debt commercial where this guy is going around this seemingly idyllic home & garden and saying basically "I'm in debt up to my eyebrows and can't stop; somebody help me!" through this forced grin? There it is, right there! Have one less car, appreciate the free things around you, and spend more time actually raising your kids, supporting your spouse, keeping yourself in balance.
This is not saying that these drugs don't do *any* good, but more that they can and should be prescribed to those who really do need them as part of the treatment of their condition.
The irony - at least in my life - is that while every Tom, Dick and Harry out there are getting meds to compensate for their lack of sleep/excess stress, I'm living with someone who has a medical need for anxiety reducing meds and can't get them (or the accompanying treatment). We do what we can with other coping methods like meditation, creative expression, exercise and healthy living - all the things the well-insured can't seem to take the time for, even though it would solve most of their problems.
You can't expect a government (even if it weren't in the pocket of the big corporations) to do what individuals are responsible for, pulling your own weight and helping those around you to do the same (which includes teaching and supporting those who are younger or weaker than yourself). And you can't expect a little pill to *make* you a better more balanced person - all the pill does is take the edge off so you can focus on that balance, bring it back to center.
Meh... I could go on, but I won't. *distant cheers from the room* It's a subject I'm very... worried over, lets say. 
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