River vs Love?

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LEXAN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:00 AM

If the series had continued, the only way I could see an actual Jayne/River relationship (not just as a River crush) happening would be if Joss sort of hinted at it (in an obvious fashion) through many seasons and then in the final season when both characters had developed (who knows how) finally acted on the pairing. I think that would be a very interesting and suitable way to pair the two characters. It would also mean River would be older and perhaps more learned in how to act like a human.

I think the two characters have a chemistry but apart from what I said above, I can't imagine them getting together in a way which wouldn’t resemble fanfiction.

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Monday, February 5, 2007 3:39 PM

Mal4prez, I'd be interested to see your fanfic when you post it. How do these things usually get announced? (I don't regularly view the Blue Sun Room, 'cause then I'd really never get any work done.)

Kallyn (sorry if I spelled that wrong -- I'm typing from memory), I agree that the Jayne/River pairing almost certainly wouldn't work (my thought about "interesting to see" was basically about how well or badly Jayne would put a stop to it), but I have to say that I think Jayne does respect women. He's crude about sexual jokes and the like, but he clearly
-respects his mother (by wearing her hat with pride);
-respects Zoe (by following orders with no backtalk);
-respects Kaylee (teasing about her crushes aside, he is never patronizing or doubting of her judgment or abilities);
-respects Inara (never says anything mean about her profession);
-respects the Heart of Gold whores (he's crude about wanting to get "sexed up", but he also interacts with them in a gentle, wholeheartedly fun way. He even braids his bedmate's hair).

Maybe not the ideal mate for River for a whole host of reasons, but lack of respect for her as a woman wouldn't be one of them. In my view, anyway.

Cheers,

Indigo S.

MAL4PREZ

Monday, February 5, 2007 4:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
Mal4prez, I'd be interested to see your fanfic when you post it. How do these things usually get announced? (I don't regularly view the Blue Sun Room, 'cause then I'd really never get any work done.)

I'll put up a blog. You can check my hompage thingy to see when BackStories starts appearing... it'll be sometime in March or April, I think. Also, it's multiple chapters (I'm at 20 now) so you'll see it showing up on the front page sooner or later!

I may just be unabashedly self-promoting and put up a note on one of these threads too. Really, I've been thinking about River and her romantic possibilities for months, and now there's two threads about it! It's ironic - and very frustrating that I'm not ready to post my fic yet!

BTW, I totally agree on your take on Jayne and women. Part of the fun with him is how he's such a bad guy, but also just a little bit of a pussycat.

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GOCRO

Thursday, February 8, 2007 3:10 AM

Um Isn't River highly intuitive/psychic meaning that If someone else had a crush or was in love with her she would know about it. So considering that she only has permanentish exposure to the crew of Serenity and that they all think of her in a platonic way due to reasons of being married, or into someone else, or being her brother. So I'm thinking between all the adventuring and her scarred mind, that a relationship hasn't really entered into her thoughts in a serious way.

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PSYCKOSAMA

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:49 PM

Rivers unique nature does give me some strange ideas of how a relationship would work with her. First, you have the fact that she feels everything which among other things I think would make her own feelings of love and affection hit her with double force because she can't easily focus on other things... so if she got even a crush on someone it would have an almost obsessive intensity.

Second, I think River and sex would be a very very odd combination because of her psionic ability. Objects in Space shows us that two people lost in passion can mess up her head. Its also implied that proximity does affect how strongly she picks up on people. Now just think how strong she'd detect the sensations and emotions of someone making out with, making love to, her, with all of that passion being aimed directly at her. She would feel every one of their emotions, every one of their sexual fantasies, likely every one of their physical sensations... It could make any intimate sexual contact almost overwhelming as the sensory overload would be massive. On the other side, it could very well make her VERY easy to please... ;p

BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Saturday, March 3, 2007 6:28 AM

If she could see all of a partner's sexual fantasies, and came upon one she didn't like, would she ever be the same to that person again? If you saw in someone's head that they wanted you in a fashion you found disgusting, would you be able to sit and eat at dinner with them? ((Assuming, as she's usually sequestered on Serenity, it would be someone on said ship semi to totally longterm.)) And if she can kill you with her brain, with all of the emotions rushing through her, would she do just that? Honestly, if she wasn't joking in Ariel, then I'm surprised at her control thus far. Of course I hope we'll get to see more to answer all of our questions in a so-satisfying-only-Joss-could-have-written-it-and-the-BDMs-acted-it sort of way. Imagine, if he ever feels the need to kill - say Jayne - he could have this happen and she, in a moment of understandable lack of control, were to kill him. Or maybe this would be his way of telling us that River can infact kill you with her brain.

"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card

PSYCKOSAMA

Saturday, March 3, 2007 9:46 AM

You think she doesn't already know everyone's dirty little secrets? Personally I think she very well might know more about the crew than the crew does...

As for "I can kill you with my Brain"... I think she was just being a brat and yanking his chain because he honestly had it comin'...

BLACKBEANIE

Saturday, March 3, 2007 2:38 PM

I don't think anyone currently on the ship is a good match, mostly due to age. But there are other fish in the sea. (Or is that birds in the sky in this case?)
I have a theory that River has been so damaged/traumatised, that she feels she is incapable of (romantic) love. And because of her abilities and past, she believes no one will love her back. Perhaps the Blue Hands made her think this or she figured it by herself.
Who would want to be around someone who knows their every thought? The crew might be used to it, but for someone who is new, it can be rather overwhelming and scare them off.

I'm actually working on a fic that further explores this theory.

The Crow: Serenity
Coming March 2007

NBZ

Saturday, March 3, 2007 3:48 PM

I just think she has bigger issues to deal with.

Normal teenage angst come a definite secodn to having your brain cut open, being on the run and hearing everyones thoughts.

Not saying she will not come across it, but she will probably not have had the time or sanity to theorise it in such ways.

If you take her surroundings as a cue to her future development, she is around Kaylee, Inara and Zoe.

Zoe is monogamous, but that is because she is married.

Kaylee and Inara on the other hand...

Let's just say she may not look for some deep meaning.

ORANGEHAT

Sunday, March 4, 2007 4:01 AM

~Let's just say she may not look for some deep meaning.~

This of course is under the impression that River does not have her own predisposed ideas about love or intimacy. I like the above discussions involving River being too damaged for love. Thats an interesting concept and I look forward to the fanfic.

That nerdy hat

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