My thoughts on Angel 3-5 *spolierific*
POSTED BY: SerenityinScotland
UPDATED: Saturday, February 24, 2007 06:25
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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
They (Angel, Spike, and Illyria, at least) are immortal--they'll always be there, and there'll always be the 'next' big battle for them... until they finally ARE killed, whenever that may be. The way it ended was really the only way it could've ended--it suited the show perfectly, just as Buffy's finale suited it perfectly. Two different shows, two different mission statements, two awesome finales...
I wouldn't say there can never be an end for Angel. That's the whole point of the Shanshu prophecy. It's just the end is so far in the future that he can't realistically see it - but he needs (or needed) it. I say needed because after Fred's death (and Illyria's speech in Time Bomb) Angel became disllusioned and maybe in NFA tried to end it on his own terms.
But as NFA wasn't supposed to be the end, I wish we could have seen Angel try to deal with going on (and on, and on, and on...)
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I saw an underground cut on tenth-generation VHS that has Angel and the rest getting cut down by the hoard, and Wesley's ghost appearing with the comment "Well, this didn't work out as well as it could have..."
Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Is there some, like, secret underground version floating around out there that shows them all getting massacred? No?
psychChrisisall
*laughter*
Still it was a lame ending and that's my opinion and I didn't miss the point of the series. I get it, but it's still lame.
It's time to switch from the Joss Universe to my new 1st season box set of THAT GIRL. I'm cringing now as I open it up but I tell ya, at least I won't sit up night after night watching this.
-River
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Quote:That Girl????
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
It's time to switch from the Joss Universe to my new 1st season box set of THAT GIRL.
If you're looking that far back at least make it 'The Wild Wild West'!
Artemus Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That Girl????
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
It's time to switch from the Joss Universe to my new 1st season box set of THAT GIRL.
If you're looking that far back at least make it 'The Wild Wild West'!
Artemus Chrisisall
Yes THAT GIRL.
Watching THAT GIRL doesn't require too much thinking. One never cries during a THAT GIRL episode which is a welcome break from watching endless Buffy and Angel episodes.
Back to the topic...
I had mixed feelings about the reintroduction of Spike. I loved Spike from BtVS, and I liked him a lot in Angel, but I thought that his sacrifice during the 7th season of BtVS was a fine sacrifice; a fine death. It was a grand ending to a very much developed character. The fact that he makes this splendid exit and then from his perspective pops back into existence in the office of WolfRam & Hart sort of in a way cheapened his sacrifice in BtVS.
Oh well...
-River
P.S.
Tell me Chris. Do you think BtVS, Angel, and Firefly represents the height of Joss's career and for him its all down hill from there? Just wondering.
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I rewatched BTVS 1-7 and Angel 1-5. I think Angel got consistently better, moreso than Buffy. I especially like the character development of Wesley, and Fred-Illiayria. Enjoyed Holtz, Connor, Lindsey and Lilah. I wish they had gotten another season, if only to see what Joss would do with the Illiayria character.
I didn't like evil Cordy, she seemed stiff. I didn't care for the Cordy and Connor(Yuck)relationship or Cordy and Angel.
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Originally posted by DRU:
I rewatched BTVS 1-7 and Angel 1-5. I think Angel got consistently better, moreso than Buffy. I especially like the character development of Wesley, and Fred-Illiayria. Enjoyed Holtz, Connor, Lindsey and Lilah. I wish they had gotten another season, if only to see what Joss would do with the Illiayria character.
I didn't like evil Cordy, she seemed stiff. I didn't care for the Cordy and Connor(Yuck)relationship or Cordy and Angel.
Holtz WAS an interesting character. I found myself really liking him a lot. I really loved his deep voice when it comes down to it. Evil Cordy didn't do a thing for me, but I thought the Cordilia character had come a long way from where she started.
You are SO right about the Fred/Illyia character. She was so interesting. I too wish there had been another season to develop this character. She in her own way was very likeable and would have been a very strong part of the group. She was very powerful even when she lost a good portion of her powers.
Another character that I really loved and have not heard much from other people about her is Lila. I saw a lot of myself in this character. Too bad she had to die. She kept me laughing in a very big way. Also Wesley. Sorry to say this but I think his character was so much better as a dark, brooding person filled with pain and loss. Wesley turned out to be quite a guy and he will be missed.
-River
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I think Wesley's character arc from Buffy Season 3 to Angel Season 5 was the most impressive character arc imaginable. Just look at him in the Buffy ep 'Choices' and then compare it to the Angel ep 'Release'. And the way the arc moved - a slow descent into darkness, not Willow's sudden shift. I think he's the standout character from the whole Buffyverse and some of the best writing ever.
Lilah was a great character - she was with us for four seasons, so got plently of development. She would have been great in season 5 tho. A ghostly friend for ghost Spike?
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Quote:Joss will go the way of Sam Raimi, quirky little self-made cool stuff- then the sellout...well, not REALLY a sell out, but a BIG movie, the way Spider-man was for Raimi. I had thought Wonder Woman was gonna be that for him, but he's not doing it now, so....
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Tell me Chris. Do you think BtVS, Angel, and Firefly represents the height of Joss's career and for him its all down hill from there? Just wondering.
Postphone the big one Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That Girl????
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
It's time to switch from the Joss Universe to my new 1st season box set of THAT GIRL.
If you're looking that far back at least make it 'The Wild Wild West'!
Artemus Chrisisall
Hey what the hell is wrong with "That Girl"! Beats wathching the Flying Nun. Although I wish they would put Gidget on DVD.
I wonder if there are still any copies of Hazel?
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Thise big clanky things were giants. Or possibly ogres. And there was a dragon, which Angel wanted to slay (not realizing that dragons are the good guys and that it was there to help).
Illyria at the very least wouldn't have died in the finale. I don't think she can be killed.
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