My thoughts on Angel 3-5 *spolierific*
POSTED BY: SerenityinScotland
UPDATED: Saturday, February 24, 2007 06:25
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yep. That was my first reaction.
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
What was the whole point? Everyone dies. So what if they showed the powers of evil that they can be slowed down for a small while? Everyone still dies. What a complete lame ending.
So, wasn't Buffy better?
That's what I thought Chrisisall
Yes, the ending of Buffy was better. At least the Scoobies survived and got to stand around on the edge of the now destroyed Sunnydale looking smug with the thought of a job well done. The hellmouth was destroyed and evil at least in that region got it's collective arses kicked.
The only people to survive in Angel was Loren and Conner, but I suspect that after that mob of demons finished up with Angel, Gunn, Fred/Illira, and Spike, they went looking for Loren and killed him. So great! after all that drama of 5 seasons, Conner gets to be the only survivor. Does this seem right to you?
-River
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
Nothing?
Maybe you should rewatch 'A Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'. The conversation between No.5 and Angel in the bar is pretty relevant here. Something bout "You made a difference in the lives you saved..."
I did watch that and I did understand the message, but still in my book they died for nothing and it was a complete waste. The story was cut short and a victim of cancellation so the ending of the story was lame.
Yes they struck a blow to the big evil and showed them that they could be slowed down, but still the death of all of the main characters of Angel died. This is totally lame to me.
-River
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Originally posted by misskitten:
lol, you put several of my thoughts right spot on... lol. The only reason I watch season 3 is because of Fred. Season 4 and 5 were however great (With the exception of the Jasmine storyline. As much as I love Gina, the Jasmine storyline felt just wrong.)
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I really liked Fred and her death got to me much more than the death of Tara from BtVS. Though as strange as this may seem. I liked the character that Fred became after she died. She became Illyra. This character was very dark and beautiful and I'm sorry that there was not enough time to fully develop her character.
The Jasmine storyline I liked a lot. She consumed a few dozen people a day, but ended hate, war, hunger, and all the other ills of humankind, and the humans she killed died happy and loved without pain. I thought it was a good tradeoff. You can't get something for nothing. Too bad they killed her.
Sheesh! In Angel EVERYBODY dies.
-River
P.S. And for the record I hated Conner from the moment he showed up. He whined more than Dawn ever did. I was happy that Angel finally shut the kid up by having his mind erased and replaced with whine-free memories.
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Conner did my head in too - though I know there is a great deal of debate over his character, explaining why he was so whiney. But mostly I just saw a whiner.
As for the ending, I'm sure I heard that Joss said the characters survived the final scene and that in his mind season 6 would feature both Illyria (who I loved as a character too, she had great lines!) and Fred, with Gunn vamped as the big bad. But it never came to anything - gorram cancellation. But with Buffy season 8 on the way, maybe one day we'll find out what happened in the alley outside the Hyperion.
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
Conner did my head in too - though I know there is a great deal of debate over his character, explaining why he was so whiney. But mostly I just saw a whiner.
As for the ending, I'm sure I heard that Joss said the characters survived the final scene and that in his mind season 6 would feature both Illyria (who I loved as a character too, she had great lines!) and Fred, with Gunn vamped as the big bad. But it never came to anything - gorram cancellation. But with Buffy season 8 on the way, maybe one day we'll find out what happened in the alley outside the Hyperion.
Oh come on! You saw the ending, and you saw that very LARGE army of demons plus those huge, giant robots or whatever the hell they were. There was no way on earth that those 4 people could have survived unless they ran like hell. And I swear I saw a dragon flying around also. No way they could have fought off all of that!
Speaking of Illyria. Whoever did the costume design and the makeup + the hair should get an award for creating the the most exotic demon in the Jossverse. Do they give awards out for that sort of thing?
-River
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Well a popular fan solution to that problem is the appearance of Buffy with an army of slayers to lend a hand.
I have no idea if there are awards for that sort of thing - you would have thought so, but Buffyverse shows have always been criminally overlooked at the Emmys.
PS. Giant robots?
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
Well a popular fan solution to that problem is the appearance of Buffy with an army of slayers to lend a hand.
I have no idea if there are awards for that sort of thing - you would have thought so, but Buffyverse shows have always been criminally overlooked at the Emmys.
PS. Giant robots?
Yes. When they showed that huge army of demons all running towards the Wolfram & Hart building. There were two giant creatures marching along with a metalic clanking noise. They looked like robots but I could be wrong. Let me get a screeen shot of this.
-River
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Ya know, I watched the final episode when it aired on the WB, and I own the DVDs, and every time I'VE watched it, it ends with Angel saying "Let's go to work," and he, Spike, Gunn, and Illyria all charging into battle. Is there some, like, secret underground version floating around out there that shows them all getting massacred? No? Then the idea that 'they all died' is just an opinion of one possible outcome, isn't it?
Maybe they did all die. Maybe they didn't. You know what? Either way, it doesn't matter. People who call the ending 'lame,' or say that it's a 'cliffhanger' have obviously missed not only the point of the episode, but the point of the entire series, as well. IF they survived this battle, there would have been another one, and one after that, and one after that. They (Angel, Spike, and Illyria, at least) are immortal--they'll always be there, and there'll always be the 'next' big battle for them... until they finally ARE killed, whenever that may be. The way it ended was really the only way it could've ended--it suited the show perfectly, just as Buffy's finale suited it perfectly. Two different shows, two different mission statements, two awesome finales...
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Hear, hear, Groo. I just finished watching "Not Fade Away" (it was on TNT this morning). When I first watched the ending, I'll admit, I was very conflicted. But the more I thought about it, the more I read fan responses and essays on the matter, I understood why it had to end that way. There will never be a happy ending for the Fang Gang, and I would much rather them go out fighting. And when you take into consideration some of Joss's intended but cancelled plans for the show (Gunn being turned into a vampire, Wesley and Fred coming back), it makes even more sense. But even without the potential stories of a sixth season, the ending just makes sense.
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Quote:I saw an underground cut on tenth-generation VHS that has Angel and the rest getting cut down by the hoard, and Wesley's ghost appearing with the comment "Well, this didn't work out as well as it could have..."
Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Is there some, like, secret underground version floating around out there that shows them all getting massacred? No?
psychChrisisall
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