Firefly Sets Yet Another Record!
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Friday, February 23, 2007 02:07
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Lets pay attention instead of barking out stupid comments.
Sales of dvd's make studios money which in turn makes them more likely to fund any projects Joss if they view him as being someone who can make them money. TO help Joss doesn't mean it has to go directly in his pocket.
Its 30% of the 500 people who download it. Read the WHOLE paragraph next time. And i believe i stated that it was not a scientific poll, but it WAS from the mouths of actual people and does represent to a degree (albeit small) what an average person might do.
SO before making asinine statment's you should finish you homework.
also....
6IXSTRINGJACK said and i quote "Piracy gives you a choice to support what you really like. Piracy of CDs and DVDs is like giving people a vote as to what they like and support".
So before calling someone stupid, make sure you aren't making yourself look stupid.
btw
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"Bullshit! A real fan loves what they are a fan of. This typically goes along with buying merchandise from whatever they are a fan of, but not necessarily. Some people just don't have the money to spend.
But, to say that because I didn't buy copies to give away to other people makes me not a "real fan" is ludicrous and, quite frankly, offensive."
Any REAL fan can find a way to save up 13 dollars for a DVD. And i didn't say you HAD to buy other people copies to be a real fan, don't put words in my mouth. I said a real fan COULD, as in find another way BESIDES pirating to pass the word on. Hell, you could bring your own copy of it and let someone watch it. The same purpose is fulfilled. There is always another way other than possibly hurting sales of something you are supposed to be a fan of. THAT is my point.
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had it not been for piracy, I would not be here and would never have seen serenity in the first place and would then never have BOUGHT firefly (after I downloaded and watched it).
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Locray, in response to you, i believe that piracy will bring in some people, like yourself. Those people are in the 10% i eluded to earlier. There are several shows i fell in love with through piracy i'd have never seen otherwise (Roswell, Veronica Mars, Dead Like Me). I bought them all. My Concern is the others who would not follow the same path you apparently have. I myself have several friends who have (to my chagrin) downloaded Buffy and Angel, and Dig them, but see no point in buying them now that they have them on server. Be honest, THAT is far more common with the average pirate that what WE have done. THAT kind of thing is why i don't support this. I know for a fact, that my friends would buy the series if they couldn't download them. Like i said, i'm NOT against internet piracy. I AM against pirating the work of someone we are supposed to be fans of and who needs every DVD sell possible as it is. The main point most here seem to say is, "There is NO PROOF Piracy Hurts DVD Sales". True, but there is also no proof that it doesn't either. MY point is, we are supposed to be the most loyal fans in existence right now, how could we support something that could POSSIBLY hurt the very thing we are supposed to be fans of?
I'm not saying don't pirate. Hell, pirate to your hearts content. I am DL-ing music as i type this. I am saying that perhaps we shouldn't promote pirating "OUR" verse, because it might bite us on the ass later. If it can POSSIBLY, even a fraction of a percent, hurt Joss or his future projects, as a fan i have to say its not worth it.
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Originally posted by pongluver:
Locray, in response to you, i believe that piracy will bring in some people, like yourself. Those people are in the 10% i eluded to earlier. There are several shows i fell in love with through piracy i'd have never seen otherwise (Roswell, Veronica Mars, Dead Like Me). I bought them all. My Concern is the others who would not follow the same path you apparently have. I myself have several friends who have (to my chagrin) downloaded Buffy and Angel, and Dig them, but see no point in buying them now that they have them on server.
Pong:
Would have bought the "several shows" you fell in love with had you not found them through piracy? Maybe, but probably not because you wouldn't have known about them. Okay, your cheap friends didn't buy once they pirated. I got news for you! They never would have bought in the first place! Even if they had been given a copy of the DVD's by a friend and pirating were non-existant. The net result of your own arbitrary poll is that sales were increased from consumers who never would have otherwise wasted their time thinking about the shows in question.
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Originally posted by Razza:
Pong:
Would have bought the "several shows" you fell in love with had you not found them through piracy? Maybe, but probably not because you wouldn't have known about them.
You see i was agreeing that in SOME CASES piracy CAN open people up to new shows they wouldn't see. Had i ever saw them in a non-piracy setting, yes, i would have still purchased them. Once again, for the THIRD TIME, I am not against piracy. I was conceding that point so i don't understand where you are going with that. You aren't pointing out anything that wasn't covered.
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Okay, your cheap friends didn't buy once they pirated. I got news for you! They never would have bought in the first place! Even if they had been given a copy of the DVD's by a friend and pirating were non-existant.
I got news for you, they would. I actually KNOW them. My friends liked those shows BEFORE they dl'd them, those were just SUPPOSED to tide them over until they could buy them. Now they see no point in buying them. So i dont understand your basis for this asinine statement.
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The net result of your own arbitrary poll is that sales were increased from consumers who never would have otherwise wasted their time thinking about the shows in question.
And in reading my arbitrary poll, you are assuming that none of them had ever heard of the movie. That was never said, in fact all of the people i counted in the poll has SEEN the movie. So your deduction of the sales increase is once again, wrong. 3 for 3, good job.
I am frankly amazed by the comments made by people here without fully reading (or at least comprehending) the posts they are commenting on.
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Originally posted by pongluver
You see i was agreeing that in SOME CASES piracy CAN open people up to new shows they wouldn't see. Had i ever saw them in a non-piracy setting, yes, i would have still purchased them. Once again, for the THIRD TIME, I am not against piracy. I was conceding that point so i don't understand where you are going with that. You aren't pointing out anything that wasn't covered.
For someone who isn't against piracy, you sure seem to have a problem with it! If you aren't against it why are you insulting me and others in this discussion so vehemently? Is Joss' work somehow more sacred than every other artists work out there?
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I got news for you, they would. I actually KNOW them. My friends liked those shows BEFORE they dl'd them, those were just SUPPOSED to tide them over until they could buy them. Now they see no point in buying them. So i dont understand your basis for this asinine statement.
Since your friends didn't in fact buy them, perhaps you didn't know them as well as you thought. Sorry for calling them cheap, but if the shoe fits... No need to call me asinine :(
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And in reading my arbitrary poll, you are assuming that none of them had ever heard of the movie. That was never said, in fact all of the people i counted in the poll has SEEN the movie. So your deduction of the sales increase is once again, wrong. 3 for 3, good job.
I am frankly amazed by the comments made by people here without fully reading (or at least comprehending) the posts they are commenting on.
Actually, you never said they had seen it before, so I'm not sure how I was suppose to divine that fact from your post, but no biggie. I suspect that the 20% that said "..they would have purchased the movie anyways but see no point in it since they already have it.." wouldn't purchase even if they didn't have it. In any case, since they had seen it before downloading it, the poll isn't very indicitive of some of the assertions that myself and Sigmanuki have been proposing.
Namely, that people who would never have otherwise watched and fallen in love with the show did so as a result of DLing it, and then unlike your friends, actually purchased it. Posts by Micjwelch and Locray earlier in this thread, my own personal experience, as well as some of the research I posted earlier support that assertion.
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I have a problem with calling yourself a fan of someones work then actively interfering with its success. And i never called you asinine. I said your statement was. Considering i know my friends spending habits and know that movies/shows they haven't been able to download they have purchased in the past. I have no problem calling them cheap. They are. And the was no need to divine....... or perhaps derive is the word? IT was relevant only if the argument you tried to bring was brought. I am not waging war on piracy. I am waging war on people who call themselves fans, but aren't dedicated enough to spend 13 bucks on a DVD. That's not a fan. Thats not respectful to the verse. Thats not a Browncoat.
You ask is Joss' work more sacred than everyone else's?
Yes. I am a fan. In the truest sense if the word. I watched Buffy/Angel/Firefly from day one. I truly believe if you a really a fan of someones work, then you have no right to steal it. Especially in the Jossverse, where things get canceled so easily. When every DVD sale counts SO MUCH. I cannot fathom how a real browncoat would ever support it. Do i care if you pirate from George Lucas. Hell No. But on a site dedicated to someones creation, to openly support STEALING IT!?
That is insane.
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Originally posted by pongluver:
I have a problem with calling yourself a fan of someones work then actively interfering with its success. And i never called you asinine. I said your statement was. Considering i know my friends spending habits and know that movies/shows they haven't been able to download they have purchased in the past. I have no problem calling them cheap. They are. And the was no need to divine....... or perhaps derive is the word? IT was relevant only if the argument you tried to bring was brought. I am not waging war on piracy. I am waging war on people who call themselves fans, but aren't dedicated enough to spend 13 bucks on a DVD. That's not a fan. Thats not respectful to the verse. Thats not a Browncoat.
You ask is Joss' work more sacred than everyone else's?
Yes. I am a fan. In the truest sense if the word. I watched Buffy/Angel/Firefly from day one. I truly believe if you a really a fan of someones work, then you have no right to steal it. Especially in the Jossverse, where things get canceled so easily. When every DVD sale counts SO MUCH. I cannot fathom how a real browncoat would ever support it. Do i care if you pirate from George Lucas. Hell No. But on a site dedicated to someones creation, to openly support STEALING IT!?
That is insane.
Ahh, now I understand. You are a TRUE fan and everyone else who disagrees with you are low life scum who couldn't possibly be fans. How very self righteous of you. I see now that piracy isn't the issue at all, only your belief in your own superiority over all other fans of Joss' work. As a fan, I humbly disagree with you, but since I'm not a TRUE fan it doesn't really matter does it?
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as much as I love Serenity and Firefly, i really am not going to even try to download a 20gb rip of Serenity in HD. I plan on buying the HD-DVD drive for the xbox 360 and buy serenity. Does anyone know what special features are on the HD version of Serenity?
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i believe they are the same as the dvd release, i haven't got to explore the dvd all that much. However, i bought the Australian 2-disc collectors tin version and it has more features and is rather cheap from ezydvd.com.
Anyways, Razza. Nice cynical way to respond and twist my statements. Can't attack my argument, so just attack me. Quite the childish approach. That's Fine. Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on the subject. But you were semi right. If you (hypothetically anyone, not necessarily YOU) agree with stealing material, then no i don't consider you a fan of that material, just someone jumping on a bandwagon who is too cheap to invest in the bandwagon. Sorry if that offends you or anyone else here, but....how did you put it? .....If the shoe fits.
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