No sir, I didn't care for it. S6 ending - Spike/Buffy

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, January 19, 2007 13:08
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DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:16 PM

I definitely agree wtih a lot of that, Desktop. Us Spike fans do tend to forget that (pre-soul) he is technically evil. He is capable of performing good even somewhat noble acts, but he is also lacking to moral center that a soul provides. I'll still hold that Spike had more human traits than most vampires, even towards the beginning, but that doesn't necessarily make him good. I suppose it does us all good to be reminded of things like that every once and awhile.

However, despite all of that, I think people give Buffy too much credit. She wasn't just acting negatively towards Spike (though he did seem to be her favorite target), it was everyone. And frankly it started before season six. For those familiar with Angel season one, recall this scene:

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Buffy: "I have someone in my life now. That I love. It's not what you and I had. It's very new. You know what makes it new? I trust him. I know him."

Angel: "That's great. It's nice - you moved on. I can't. You found someone new. I'm not allowed to, remember? I see you again it cuts me up inside and the person I share that with is me! You don't know me anymore. So don't come down here with your great new life and *expect* me to do things your way. Go home!"

Buffy: "See? - Faith wins again."

It wasn't necessary for her to say those things to Angel, but she did anyway. Yes, Faith did do some horrible things to Buffy, but what right does she have to expect Angel to follow her lead when number one, they've broken up, and number two, she's in his city, not hers? Buffy had some serious moral flaws, and it only became worse as the series progressed. It was only in season seven that she really started to recognize the fact.

"I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sense, we couldn't react to a lot of life."

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:02 PM

Desktop, that was a most lucid analysis of the Spike phenom.
I liked Spike best in season 7 of Buffy.
But then season seven is my favourite season.

...who are surprisingly mobile for blind people Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:04 PM

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The truth is, most of us got a bit too cosy about Spike. We saw him as a good guy. Heck, he was even taking on the role of Dawn's nanny! The attempted rape underscored just how much he needed a soul if he was ever truly going to achieve redemption. Without it, he was just an animal on a leash. Hence the scene where he thinks his chip has failed and gets a girl nice and terrified before he tries to bite her.

I don't know how much Spike NEEDED a soul, though he seemed to think it's what Buffy was looking for in a b/f. But the problem I have w/ the near rape scene is that Spike was never a 'good ' guy. Sure, he could beat up other demons and help Buffy in her cause, but that could have been played off as him simply positioning himself to look good to Buffy. Score enough brownie points, get a free turn on the Slayer ride. He was defanged, but the chip didn't keep him from lying, stealing or boinking Anya. And since rape isn't sex, but physical dominance....physical abuse, why didn't the chip kick in an stop him ? Why did Buffy need to kick his ass across the room? To me, the whole 'Spike-almost-rapes-Buffy-causes-him-to-want-his-soul-back' scenario was,.... not the most well thought out plot of the series. Spike was distraught over what he had almost done to Buffy with OUT having a soul, so why go running off to get his old one replaced ? I get the double switch on the audience, he gets one thing when we all assumed he was after something else, ...that's nice. But I just didn't see how it fit. Maybe it's just me.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And since rape isn't sex, but physical dominance....physical abuse, why didn't the chip kick in an stop him ? Why did Buffy need to kick his ass across the room?

Remember? She came back 'different', and he could hit her. Chip didn't work with Buffy anymore.

Spike's my he-wo Chrisisall

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:01 AM

aw, I got here late pretty much everything has been said.

I agree with everything deepgirl and desktop hippie wrote

chrisisall is my he-wo
(after spike obviously)

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:12 PM

Fair question, AURaptor. More than fair in fact.

Spike did regret his actions. There no question of that. He was upset over what he did to Buffy. That's because he loved her. She didn't love him, not at that point (if she ever really did) but he did love her. And when Spike falls for someone he falls hard. We only have to look at his relationship with Dru to see that.

I think at that point he realised that if he was *ever* going to win Buffy he would *need* to have a soul, because he just couldn't be the man she wanted without it. He tried being good, but he just couldn't take it that step further. Instead, he wound up being too like Warren for comfort.

That being said, the whole "bitca's gonna get what she deserves" thing was a bit silly. The only way it makes sense is if he intended to win his soul and then deliberately reject Buffy, right when she would have been okay with being with him. That's the only thing that explains the viciousness in his voice. That and writers trying to spring a surprise ending but I think you know what I mean. I have wondered at times if that was Spike's original plan, since he seems to have wildly underestimated what impact having a soul would have on him.

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CYBERSNARK

Friday, January 19, 2007 12:42 AM

Let's also not forget that Spike can, on occasion, be every bit as moronic as Angel.

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AURAPTOR

Friday, January 19, 2007 1:08 PM

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Remember? She came back 'different', and he could hit her. Chip didn't work with Buffy anymore.

Oh yeah. I guess I kinda overlooked that tiny detail .

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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