River vs Love?

POSTED BY: OrangeHat
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 17:16
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ORANGEHAT

Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:07 AM

So many people tend to mention something about River obtaining a love interest. Jayne has even been mentioned as a possibility! I have a couple problems with this. For starters, shes only 17 and Jayne is like ...not 17. Plus hes more of a wam-bam-thankyou-ma'm type person which is something an unstable teenager DOES NOT need.
* Heres my point (Yes I do have one).
River has suffered some major tramas in her lifetime. She even admits to not knowing if she feels like a girl. What is a girl? She sure as hell is unsure. She can't even tell what her own self is, what her own memories are, and you want to throw some love interest into the mix?! That's just cruel. Let the girl adjust for godsake! Shes not even whole yet and already shes expected to fall in love and have some wonderous relationship?! Famous line here: You can't love someone else until you love yourself. SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS. And from some of the things she says she seems to be a little short of loving herself. Besides, I think it would be WAY too dramatic to have yet ANOTHER person on that ship yearning for someone they have yet to obtain! There is a line...
Anyways..what to y'all think?

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DEEPGIRL187

Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:24 AM

You're right, River isn't mentally stable enough to handle a relationship. She has a hard enough time relating to people she's not in love with...

I think the ideas about forming a love interest for River are ideally for (I hope) when she's more stable (indeed, if that day ever comes). And I think the ideas for her and Jayne come from the fact that, well, it's the type of sick thing that Joss would do (Buffy and Angel anyone?). And their personalities do complement each other in a strange way, but then that's my opinion.

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MISTERSOLIDUS

Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:10 AM

Maybe its just me, but I can't really see her falling in love with anyone. As mentioned, she doesn't really seem to know herself.

Or maybe, before she was being tested on, she had a previous lover? Some crazy psychic boy. Who knows.

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:27 AM

River, at least as we see her in the series, has no idea what a relationship really means. In the deleted scene for Our Mrs. Reynolds, she wants to marry Simon. She has no idea what that implies, she just know she loves him and thinks that's what happens and that it's all okay. Everyone was very sorry that scene had to be cut out for length, apparently. I think it gives a good look at how scewed River's views can be.

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LEXAN

Monday, January 15, 2007 9:16 AM

I actually think River has a very good idea of what a relationship is, probably more so than anyone else on the ship or in the 'verse. She encompasses an understanding of the components of a relationship far more profound and complex than any other fictional character I have ever seen.

I think that the deleted seen in which River claimed she wanted to marry Simon was a demonstration of how River is not always completely serious in what she says and infers. Most of her dialogue, though seemingly disjointed and senseless to the inattentive observer, is extremely meaningful and is able to communicate thoughts and ideas that wouldn't have necessarily been able to be expressed otherwise. However, there are a few occasions when she seems to be poking fun at her 'craziness'- the formerly mentioned deleted scene being one of them.

As for River developing a love interest... I could picture it but I don't think there's really anyone who would be able to understand River enough to become intimate with her...she's way too diverse and multifaceted.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, January 15, 2007 9:21 AM

I'd like to see River in a relationship sometime. Partially for the crazy but also because of the questions it would bring up. Is River able to make choices for herself? At what point should friends and family step in? How crazy is too crazy to decide who you should date or even if you should date.

I'd hate to be the guy who cheats on her though. Try telling a psychic killer woman that you were thinking of her the whole time.

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STEAMER

Monday, January 15, 2007 10:20 AM

I've thought a lot on this, too. It's one reason why I'm disappointed that Summer can't come to Farpoint - I wanted to ask her what she thinks of this. I for one am militantly anti-J/R, and if anyone tried to get pro-J/R with me there would be a list of reasons as long as my leg why Jayne hates River's guts. But anyway. Don't forget: "She feels everything - she can't not." IMO, that's not just limited to negative emotions like fear or worry or nervousness, and that's part of the reason for that CSI silliness in the deleted scene. (CSI here having the meaning of 'crazy space incest' for you non-LJers. )

I think it's entirely possible for River to find a lover post-BDM. Pre-BDM I couldn't see it happening, what with her crazy times. Post-BDM, though....it's a big 'verse. There's got to be somebody out there who can love her without being afraid of her. I think all it'll take is somebody who understands what she's been through; not necessarily another Academy victim, but somebody who can see past what's been done to her and love her in spite of it. As Zoe profoundly tells her in a post-BDM fanfic I've got on the boards: "It's only once in a lifetime you find somebody who'll take you as you are."

And in fact, I think that's part of River's problem. Simon is the only one in her life right now who does unconditionally love her despite what's happened. If someone else can learn to love her the way she is, I think her healing process will go to full burn.

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OLDMANSPLITFOOT

Monday, January 15, 2007 10:23 AM

Heh, I think we'd all like to see River in a relationship sometime, people on both sides of the fence. Because that would implie that we'd freaking see more of River, as in more episodes or movies!

ORANGEHAT

Monday, January 15, 2007 7:14 PM

Personally I like River as an entity, I like her 'crazy' moments and her crude sometimes sadistic sense of everything she encounters. I don't want her character to change she pulls off the troubled screwed up chick quite well and in order for her to have a relationshipt that not only means she would have to be less screwed up it would also mean someone would have to understand her. River is just as much as a concept as she is a person and if someone "got" her it would take the fun out of everything she does/says. That would make her much to simple to belong on such a ship.
I say NO relationships of River.

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SHINYED

Monday, January 15, 2007 7:30 PM

River should take companion training, but without the actual sex stuff, and Inara could be her mentor.

She is intelligent and graceful...the companion training would help her understand adult relationships, wisdom, love, marraige, tea ceremonies, poetry.... and then later... sex.

No sex for River until she's at least 22....she needs 4-5 years of learning the ropes about being a human being in that 'verse and learning things necessary to survive first.

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