Saddam's On the Clock

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:15 AM

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But George should be impeached for lying to the American people about the reasons for the Iraq war (WMD's, imminent threat, etc.)

Bush never lied about Iraq. He never said it was an 'imminent threat'. Not once. Sorry, nothing impeachable there.

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And the conflicts of interest are the friends of his getting jobs when they aren't qualified (FEMA), and friends getting contracts due to the war to rebuild that which we destroyed...

Nothing impeachable there either. Friends of elected officials have been getting jobs since there were elected officials. eg: Clinton travel office scandal,etc....

You'll have to come up with MUCH better than that.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SKYWALKEN

Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:14 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
No, just the ones that knowingly allign themselves with monsters in the cause of making better worlds...

Using that criteria then during WWII Stalin's two best buddies FDR and Churchill should have been hanged.

By the way, for those of you who want to see the death of the Butcher of Baghdad, a cell phone video of the execution is on Google Video...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:57 AM

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As for 'Democratic/ Democrats / Democrat' , I've never heard them referred to as Democratic party.

That's because you only listen to right-wing morons whose talking point straight from Rove is to always refer to the Democratic Party as the (misnomered) "Democrat" party, because the term Democratic plays too well in the polls.

AFA saying that WMD was an imminent threat ...

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In his first major address on the Iraqi threat in October 2002, President Bush invoked fiery images of mushroom clouds and mayhem, saying, “Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. In March 2003, Cheney went on national television days before the war and claimed Iraq “has reconstituted nuclear weapons.” He was echoed by State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, who told reporters of supposedly grave “concerns about Iraq’s potential nuclear programs.” Even after the invasion, when troops failed to uncover any evidence of nuclear weapons, the White House refused to admit the truth. In July 2003, Condoleezza Rice told PBS’s Gwen Ifill that the administration’s nuclear assertions were “absolutely supportable.” That same month, White House spokesman Scott McClellan insisted: “There’s a lot of evidence showing that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.' National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," Rice said.

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Nothing impeachable there either...
You'll have to come up with MUCH better than that.

Yeah, like getting a blow job.

BTW- I actually feel sorry for Saddam. I don't believe in the death penalty and I don't think anyone should die that way.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

CITIZEN

Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Please don't talk to the crazy person. You'll only encourage him.

Unless of course your saying:
"Now take your pills or you get the shock treatment again."

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:01 PM

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That's because you only listen to right-wing morons whose talking point straight from Rove is to always refer to the Democratic Party

It's funny the fear some have for Rove, and the power they try to instill in him. There's no 'talking point' issue here, and Rove isn't the start/ end of all that is conservative. Me thinks you obsess a tad too much.

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because the term Democratic plays too well in the polls.

Which demonstrates the 'style' over 'substance' mentality of the Left wing, being ruled by polls, and not principle.

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AFA saying that WMD was an imminent threat...

No where in your little 'commentary' was it shown that Bush said anything about Iraq or its nuclear program being an imminent threat.

Your BJ reference, I must assume, was directed toward the impeachment isssue. Show me where Clinton was impeached for a BJ, and I'll give you $1000. ( Yeah, I know, it's an empty offer. Clinton wasn't impeached for getting a BJ, but it's funny to ask, all the same

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BTW- I actually feel sorry for Saddam. I don't believe in the death penalty and I don't think anyone should die that way.

When a man like Saddam is so far removed , in the public's eyes, from the crimes he committed, it's easy to feel sympathy for him. But remember, no one should die in their village being gassed to death by their gov't either. Mothers and their children shouldn't have died ,embracing each other, gasping for their last breaths. No one should die being fed to a pack of dogs, as Saddams victims did. No one should die being fed - alive - feet first into industrial sized wood chippers, as Saddam's victims were. No one should be forced to dig their own grave, then be shot in the back of the head , simply because of their political views. The list of atrocities committed under Saddam's power is long and greusome. His death,and the manner in which it was carried out, was a piece of mercy.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SUCCATASH

Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:34 PM

When a man like Bush is so far removed, in the public's eyes, from the crimes he committed, it's easy to feel sympathy for him. But remember, no one should have their country invaded using false pretenses. Mothers and their children shouldn't have died, embracing each other, gasping for their last breaths. No one should be dragged out of their home in the middle of the night and tortured in a secret prison without a trial. American soldiers should not have died for a corrupt president’s incompetent political views. The list of atrocities committed under Bush’s power is long and gruesome. His presidency, and the manner in which it was carried out, is a terrible travesty.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:37 PM

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That's because you only listen to right-wing morons whose talking point straight from Rove is to always refer to the Democratic Party because the term Democratic plays too well in the polls. -signy

It's funny the fear some have for Rove, and the power they try to instill in him. There's no 'talking point' issue here, and Rove isn't the start/ end of all that is conservative. Me thinks you obsess a tad too much. Which demonstrates the 'style' over 'substance' mentality of the Left wing, being ruled by polls, and not principle. -auraptor

Very interesting how your reply didn't address my point. And thanks for the ad hominem distractor. And speaking of style over substance: By his own brag Karl Rove looks at over 60 polls a day.

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No where in your little 'commentary' was it shown that Bush said anything about Iraq or its nuclear program being an imminent threat.

Please read the following. There are many more instances at the posted links

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"Absolutely. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an imminent threat 5/7/03

WH Natl Security briefing
For centuries, international law recognized that nations need not suffer an attack before they can lawfully take action to defend themselves against forces that present an imminent danger of attack...We must adapt the concept of imminent threat to the capabilities and objectives of today's adversaries. "

"This is about imminent threat." White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03

"Well, of course he is." White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett, responding to the question "is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?" 1/26/03

"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent-- that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02

Now, I'm sure you're going to say that Bush never "imminent threat". Bush used terms like "urgent", "grave and gathering", "cannot wait", "threatening". Since it was only Bush's press scy, Bush's VP and Bush's Cabinet appointees who used or agreed to phrase "imminent threat" a few dozen times (without his knowledge and approval?) that absolves Bush from blame. I suppose it depends on what the definition of "is" is, right?

www.hillnews.com/marshall/110503.aspx
http://bushwatch.org/wmd.htm

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When a man like Saddam is so far removed, in the public's eyes, from the crimes he committed, it's easy to feel sympathy for him. But remember, no one should die in their village being gassed to death by their gov't either. Mothers and their children shouldn't have died ,embracing each other, gasping for their last breaths. No one should die being fed to a pack of dogs, as Saddams victims did. No one should die being fed - alive - feet first into industrial sized wood chippers, as Saddam's victims were. No one should be forced to dig their own grave, then be shot in the back of the head , simply because of their political views. The list of atrocities committed under Saddam's power is long and greusome

I know about atrocities that you haven't even mentioned. I cried for innocent Iraqi victims- I doubt that you did. But I don't believe that we have the lawful right to take a person's life when they do NOT pose an "imminent threat". The whole concept of righteous violence makes us Saddam's equal.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
When a man like Bush is so far removed, in the public's eyes, from the crimes he committed, it's easy to feel sympathy for him. But remember, no one should have their country invaded using false pretenses.

Bush has committed no crimes. Iraq was not invaded under false pretenses. Your position is moot.

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Mothers and their children shouldn't have died, embracing each other, gasping for their last breaths. No one should be dragged out of their home in the middle of the night and tortured in a secret prison without a trial.

Unless they are Islamic terrorist who are blowing up civilians, then it's ok.

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American soldiers should not have died for a corrupt president’s incompetent political views. The list of atrocities committed under Bush’s power is long and gruesome. His presidency, and the manner in which it was carried out, is a terrible travesty.
There are no attrocities. You're nothing more than a political hack. You have nothing but baseless accusations and petty hatred for those not of your political affiliation.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:08 PM

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Very interesting how your reply didn't address my point

That's because you have no point. The premise that I only listen to those whose talking points come directly from Rove is flat out nonsense and baseless. I've no need to defend that which isn't valid.

No quote where Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat. Post anything you want, but you can't find Bush saying it. It was the PRESS that jumped on those words, egged on by the Left wing Democrats, who used that sound bite mentality to give themselves some cover for the exact same things Bush said concerning Iraq, even before Bush was in office. Nice try, but not cigar.

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But I don't believe that we have the lawful right to take a person's life when they do NOT pose an "imminent threat". The whole concept of righteous violence makes us Saddam's equal.

Saddam wasn't executed by us, nor was he executed for posing an 'imminent threat' to us, but for the crimes against humanity , and the planet, which he himself was guilty.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:22 PM

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That's because you have no point. The premise that I only listen to those whose talking points come directly from Rove is flat out nonsense and baseless. I've no need to defend that which isn't valid.

Sure

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No quote where Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat.

How DID I know you were going to say that?

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Post anything you want, but you can't find Bush saying it. It was the PRESS that jumped on those words, egged on by the Left wing Democrats, who used that sound bite mentality to give themselves some cover for the exact same things Bush said concerning Iraq, even before Bush was in office. Nice try, but not cigar.

Imminent threat. Hmm... yes. You know, I remember parsing words verrryyy carefully when I was a kid. "No mom, I didn't take a cookie from the cookie jar" (mentally: I took two) Like I said, I guess it depends on what the definition of the word "is" is, right? Or is it the definition of "sex" as in "I did not have sex with that woman?" Impeachment hanging on the thread of a definition. Wow, who would possibly pursue that? Cetainly not Republicans, because they so much value substance over style!

BTW- it wasn't "the press" that jumped on the term, since it appeared in WH documents and in cabinet and VP statements. You CAN read, can't you?

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Saddam wasn't executed by us, nor was he executed for posing an 'imminent threat' to us, but for the crimes against humanity , and the planet, which he himself was guilty.

I didn't say he was executed for posing an "imminent threat" to us. You misread or misunderstood my statement. What I meant was that if a person is killed who does NOT pose an "imminent threat"... in other words for reasons other than immediate defense of self or others... that is the moral equivalent of Saddam. Righteous violence is a dangerous concept.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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