Dick Cheney's lesbo daughter becomes Mr Mom
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Originally posted by ladyjax:
For those of us that are gay/lesbian etc. who also have other close gay family members (in my case my late older brother, and two female cousins on my mother's side of the family), it's a little hard to completely dismiss a genetic link.
That's not about relying on an 'excuse' - it's about acknowledging a possibility.
As far as choices go, for me, the only choice involved was not to lie to my family and say that I was not a lesbian when it came to light. Everything else I deal with as it comes along.
The headline of the thread, however, that's just juvenile and totally unnecessary.
My relatives who are "gay" (i.e. UNhappy) appear to have all been raped as children. Raped by family members who had ties to various mafias. When I say "raped", some survived hideous physical torures and gang rapes (mind control). They never got counseling therapy for those crimes, and the perps were never arrested. One relative didn't become effeminate/homosexual until discharge from US military, which included exposure to hydrazine rocket fuel (extremly toxic, and now in 80% of cow juice in USA). How does someone's entire voice and personality change suddenly, unless by chemical change in hormones? He still thinks the military is sticking needles in his neck... But maybe that's just the amphetamine psychosis talking.
My gay relatives were not genetically hermaphrodites (so far as I know), which is not uncommon, where doctors have to make a surgical decision as to which gender the baby will be on its birthday. In such a case, a person could grow up wearing clothing of the wrong gender, while the hormones were predominant for the opposite gender. In such a case it's not technically homosexuality. That would be a tough situation, same as any other disability.
I've known folks whose parents suffered mental illness, and forcibly raised a son as a daughter. Very confusing for everybody. Tho that would be more understandable if it was a case of hermaphroditism. Many kids are raised by "insane" parents.
One classmate of mine is now an MD director at a hospital, married with kids, who husband is a wealthy business owner. Only when she was 35 years old did she tell us her mom was so insane, that every day after school she had to hide the family guns, so her mom wouldn't murder her dad. In college she required psychiatric help to make it thru med school, to deal with her nutty mom. Later her mom died from Lou Gerhig's Disease, which must have been tied to the mental illness somehow, perhaps toxicity from prescription meds.
The point being, nutty parents can raise nutty kids, like a computer virus. If a parent hates their own life, that hatred is tranferred to the kids, who grow up hating kids, "so why not just be gay" and never have kids, to make mommy or daddy "happy"?
The entemology of the word "gay" is "prostitution".
All offspring of Dick Cheney deserve deaths by waterboarding, for the crime of supporting their parents' homicidal crimes. Homosexuality is often a requirement for a life of crime, since it gives the crime syndicate additional blackmail ammo. Pedophilia is even better. Homosexual pedophilia is the "best". Which is why Bushes and Cheney have been running the White House for over 25 years. It is still a felony to be homosexual in US military, due to risk of treason.
Big Dick Cheney loves raping little girls,
according to sworn testimony by Cathy O'Brien,
and pedophilia is legalized by Tennessee judges
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Lynn Cheney is a lesbian who raised a lesbian
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My wife was personally offered a bribe, er, job by Dick Cheney, when he was secretary of war at the Pentagon, during Bush Sr's Gulf War #1 (when Bush told Saddam to invade Kuwait, and gave Iraq
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Quote:All good points! OR...
Originally posted by Causal:
But this violates the principle of parsimony (aka Ockham's Razor)--this posits that nature has some sort of omniscience that I'm not sure I ready to grant. In addition, as I understand it, random genetic mutation is one of the cornerstones of evolutionary biology, and if it worked the way you're suggesting, it's not random any more. Its selected by some agent (which gets awfully close to theist/ID).
Evolution and genes don't necessarily work the way we think. There has been a little bit of suggestion (from studies in rodents and microbes) in recent years that not only do genes influence behavior, but behavior and environment CAN influence genes that get passed on to successive generations. So while this would be consistent with your point that genetic mutation wouldn't be random anymore, unrandom doesn't necessarily equal theism or intelligent design. That is, the intelligent agent that does the selecting could be the creatures themselves.
And of course, my imaginary comment by "Nature" is more figurative than literal.
Another explanation could be that there has been no genetic changes. Maybe we've always all been genetically bi/omni-sexual, but have been restrained and repressed by environmental imperatives to procreate. Now that those environmental imperatives are more lenient and relaxed, we are allowing ourselves to increasingly express our genetic bi/omni-sexual nature.
Again, all conjecture.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Another explanation could be that there has been no genetic changes. Maybe we've always all been genetically bi/omni-sexual, but have been restrained and repressed by environmental imperatives to procreate. Now that those environmental imperatives are more lenient and relaxed, we are allowing ourselves to increasingly express our genetic bi/omni-sexual nature.
But this would support the "it's their choice" line of reasoning more than the "it's the way they are" line.
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Quote:Not really, the choice is expressing, which no one has denied, not being.
Originally posted by Causal:
But this would support the "it's their choice" line of reasoning more than the "it's the way they are" line.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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I'm not sure I believe that's the case. CTS proposed that perhaps everyone has bi- or omni-sexual tendencies which had been repressed, but which we now "allow" (his word) ourselves to express. If we're all omni, then it would seem that either environmental factors push us in certain ways, or we choose in certain ways. I certainly appreciate the expressing/being distinction, but in this instance, I'm not sure it's as significant as you might think: CTS is proposing that in our being we are omni. If that's the case the "I'm born this way" argument pretty much evaporates.
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6SJ- I may be jumping into a defunct conversation, but there 's a difference between "genetic" and "developmental". SOME human sexuality is steered by in-utero exposure ot "environmental" factors such as the mom's hormonal status and the genders of previous pregnancies and hormonal mimics (like bisphenol A). For example, "born" lesbians have statistically different finger length rations... more like men... indicating in utero exposure to higher than average levels of androgens.
I also know two gays- one male and one female- who were "made" that way through abuse by the opposite-sexed parent (aversive conditioning). And then there are people who swing both ways.
I think what your friend is saying is that he "chooses" to act the way his biology sets him in motion, as opposed to pretending to be straight. I believe the choice is whether to be self-accepting, not whether or not to be gay.
As far as Cheney having a child.... I don't know what she and Heather are like. If they love each other and are committed to each other, if they know how to behave like adults, if they can put their energies to giving a child the love and care and teaching that it needs... no problem.
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Quote:Well, in this scenario, there are no major changes in the gene pool, so it is a digression from our discussion of evolution. But yes, it would be more on the choice rather than the genes line of reasoning.
Originally posted by Causal:
But this would support the "it's their choice" line of reasoning more than the "it's the way they are" line.
All right, back to evolution. Homosexuality could be an evolutionary adaptation to overpopulation.
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I read an interesting article that began "Natural selection is not natural perfection".
There are a lot of deviations in the gene pool that aren't fatal enough to be selected out.
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Quote:IF that is the case. However, I personally don't believe it.
Originally posted by Causal:
If that's the case the "I'm born this way" argument pretty much evaporates.
Haha, yes I tossed out a scenario that I don't believe. But I thought it was worth considering.
I know people who have no choice on their homosexual or heterosexual preference, and who are decidedly NOT bi.
I just wonder how many people ARE bi.
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When bad experiences trigger a compulsive reaction, that's neuroses. Neuroses is not "choice", it's defined in medical texts as "insanity". "Denial" is defined as the most prevalent form of insanity.
By claiming Mo's are "normal", that denies crime victims the right to medical cure for their disease. Like a rape victim denied rape counseling, and police refusing to arrest the rapist. Does that sound right to you?
In USA today, men, women and children face 50 years in prison for silently holding posters saying that homosex is a violation of God's 600+ commandments, quoting the Christian Bible (Jewish Torah) that's the foundation of the US legal system. Does that sound right to you?
As Mo's gain power in USA, pedophilia also gains power. We now have snuff kiddie pornographers running the White House - and owning Serenity. Does that sound right to you?
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