Rosie O'Donnell - Not a real Browncoat !!!
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UPDATED: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 17:30
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Johnnyreb! Good to see your back to posting, it's been a long time.
Why is Rosie O'Donnell even being brought up on this board? It's a far cry from all the great Civil War discussions we used to have with Archer, Drakon, Southernmerc, Ginobiffarinoa, et al.
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One of the things that's so poisonous about the whole P.C. mania in this culture is that it demands some kind of sanitized, impersonal perfection of all public figures.
Jesus, people make racist comments all the time in our real lives, don't they? We hear people making racist jokes all the time, don't we? And we either laugh or we walk away. And those of us who laugh are not the devil and those of us who walk away are not members of the Elect.
But when public figures, who are no less human than any of us, no less imperfect, show their failings, the media and the culture at large rush to do battle with the simple reality that people can have some pretty messed up ideas about other people. It's never news unless we're so naive as to be surprised by this stuff.
So people are up in arms because Rosie's apology wasn't good enough. How many people in your day to day life really know how to apologize when they do something really bad? Why the heck should we expect Rosie to be any better than the rest of humanity?
Rosie's "joke" was tremendously insensitive. Of course it was. I'm sure that's part of the humor of it. Rosie is not a particularly sensitive person. In order for her to make an acceptable apology she would have to suddenly become much more sensative than she obviously is. That kind of thing doesn't tend to happen.
Of the three infamous celebrity racists we've made so much of lately, I have the most hope for Michael Richards actually getting anything out of his experience because he seems genuinely demolished by his outburst, while Rosie and Mel give us the moral equivalent of "sorry, my bad" and call it good. I think Rosie and Mel have made the typical choice. Michael Richards, not so much.
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@HKCavalier:
You'd have a point if the US was a society that made sense. But, by your own admission, it isn't.
Basically, what people are wanting is that in her apology, she actually uses the word, "I apologize" or "I'm sorry" or something similar. Not her typical, implying that she might be sorry but not actually come out and say it. If her PR people was in any way shape or form competent, they would have gotten her to do this.
Which brings up another point. She habitually does this. I'd understand and not say a thing if it only happened once or twice. BUT, it's far more than once; it is a regular occurrence by any account.
One could liken this to getting charged with a felony by means of committing several misdemeanors.
Also, it is just a fact that people in her position hold a great amount of influence over there viewer-ship. This means that they have a great amount of responsibility to use that influence wisely.
Now, I'm going to be the first to agree that this shouldn't be the case. And I am very disturbed that this is the reality of the situation. But it is just that, the reality of the situation.
Basically, if someone can't keep there mouth shut when it comes to racist remarks, etc for about an hour or so a day, then they don't belong on TV.
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She's as much of an embarassment to the left as O'Reilly is to the right
Wait, I thought Rosanne Barr was as annoying as Bill O'Reilly.
Now I'm really confused.
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Quote:But Sigma, hasn't Rosie done just that for many, many, many such hours? I mean, she wouldn't have a career otherwise.
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Basically, if someone can't keep there mouth shut when it comes to racist remarks, etc for about an hour or so a day, then they don't belong on TV.
I have a challenge: is there a single over-exposed celebrity--that is someone who's on tv every day, sometimes on several different shows on different networks--who hasn't made an ass of themselves at least a couple times? Now, some one here will prolly come up with one or two, but such people would be in the extreme minority.
Maybe this is a can of worms or something, but Southpark, Carlos Mencia and the greatly missed Dave Chappelle have all made racist remarks regularly and often. In fact, a friend of mine saw Carlos Mencia performing here in Seattle recently and he was heckled by some black college students and he quoted Michael Richards' tirade at them verbatim. My friend said it got the biggest laughs of the evening.
So, is it okay to express racism, as long as you're really, really smart about it?
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Originally posted by Veteran:
Johnnyreb! Good to see your back to posting, it's been a long time.
Why is Rosie O'Donnell even being brought up on this board? It's a far cry from all the great Civil War discussions we used to have with Archer, Drakon, Southernmerc, Ginobiffarinoa, et al.
Hi Veteran! Too long indeed! There's no excuse for it.
(But a working computer sure does help.) I think Rosie's being discussed because of her unflattering portrayal of the future Alliance's co-partner in, say, another 500 years? 
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But Sigma, hasn't Rosie done just that for many, many, many such hours? I mean, she wouldn't have a career otherwise.
But, the opportunity hasn't exactly presented itself every day. Arguably, when the opportunity does present itself, she takes it.
All her not going around and making random racist comments proves, is that she isn't a total moron.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I have a challenge: is there a single over-exposed celebrity--that is someone who's on tv every day, sometimes on several different shows on different networks--who hasn't made an ass of themselves at least a couple times? Now, some one here will prolly come up with one or two, but such people would be in the extreme minority.
I think that what people are talking about here isn't that she's making an ass out of herself, but the specific way in which she has done it. Namely, the whole racist aspect.
There is also that whole thing that I'm not saying that people like her form a significant percentage of the "celebrity" population. So, why you bring this up is beyond me. I'm talking about one specific person.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Maybe this is a can of worms or something, but Southpark, Carlos Mencia and the greatly missed Dave Chappelle have all made racist remarks regularly and often. In fact, a friend of mine saw Carlos Mencia performing here in Seattle recently and he was heckled by some black college students and he quoted Michael Richards' tirade at them verbatim. My friend said it got the biggest laughs of the evening.
This brings up the whole, you can be racist and it's ok if you're part of that race, hypocrisy. There is also the fact that most comedy makes fun of race, sexual orientation, politics, religion, class and society. For some reason people find it funny.
I imagine it's that "we can laugh at ourselves" thing. That is, as long as we know that the guy is joking around it's all good (with limits of course).
I just watched Michael Richards audible snap at thatvideosite.com and I don't think that he was joking (or at least he was partially serious). That, or it's because he's white. So, that made it not ok.
But, when Carlos Mencia did it, he was seen to be taking care of a heckler AND making fun of Michael Richards at the same time. Plus there's the whole thing that he's a minority himself.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, is it okay to express racism, as long as you're really, really smart about it?
I'd say that it is never ok to express racism. BUT, it is ok to make fun of it, or use it as long as people know you're just making a joke. Because as soon as people think that you're serious, if even in part, it becomes not cool.
There is also the whole, everyone has there own lines that you can't cross thing. Hell, Michael Richards snap might have gone over very well with a different audience. We'll never know though.
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Well beyond some random bits and peices I don't really know who Rosie O'Donnell is, nor can I honestly say I care. Given some of the stuff certain people have defended here I find it laughable this is even a topic. She was an idiot, but 'ching chong chinaman' style comments aren't even in the same league as ranting about the war mongering international Jew...
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I've thought Rosie an idiot for years now, but I think people are being just a tad sensitive here. I mean, shit, why do you think Chinese accents have been poked fun at all these years? They're frackin funny. I'm sure that I'd sound funny speaking Chinese too.
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Sorry all ya haters of free speech, but that's just funny. 10 years ago, nobody would have even mentioned this, in the news or otherwise. How many times do I hear Martin Lawrence or Dave Chappelle or Carlos Mencia do the "white guy" impersonation? Who cares? If you can't laugh, then you should turn off your TV.
Anybody who thought Rosie was a Browncoat before this and changed their mind should be smacked in the head. She's pro-alliance all the way baby.
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Hey Six,
I agree...I saw a replay of her doing the Ching-Choy stuff...although not particularly funny ( unless you're 5 years old ) I didn't feel it was an insult to Chinese people.....just a stupid attempt at being funny.
Personally, I can't stomach her....she thinks hers don't stink, but I think it stinks worse than anybody's. She'll self-destruct...they all do in time.
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