Male and Female Imponderables - Tis the Season
POSTED BY: RiverIsMyGoddess
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 13:57
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LA29...good point. Y'all are very addicting. 
Mavourneen, with that Irish thing...did it work for them? I may have to try that out....
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NVG - I've been in a similar state of mind as you're in right now since before I had my first girlfriend. Most people I've talked to call it a funk, thinking that it's just a phase that almost everyone goes through when they meet continual failure with dating. I think Tsunetomo would refer to it as, "The frivolous way of sophisticates".
It is my opinion that you are now seeing life for what it truly is, devoid of distractions and niceties that cloud reality. Romance only exists in the mind, and after a certain amount of deliberation, I've come to the personal opinion that it doesn't need to be manifested by the realities of other people. Heroic and romantic to me have usually been identified as stupid and creepy by other people. So when you say:
"I just want to be someones everything. But it seems that is all but a passing dream."
I say, "So what?". You can love someone from far away. They don't even need to know that you exist, so long as you don't cross the line and become a stalker. Even the most happily married couple will have to deal with the loss of the other eventually, so how much does it really matter if the love was reciprocated? It's an extremist and a very fatalistic way of thinking, but everything dies, so fatalism doesn't seem to be all that bad of a philosophy.
I've definitely thought about becoming a monk or a priest before, but you don't need to join a monastery to take up vows. I live a very disciplined life, more disciplined than many priests, but I have no official standing in a church. Vows between yourself and God or yourself and yourself don't need recognition by a church, or any collection of people.
There's been plenty of times where I toyed around with even trying to find other people who think like I do. To create a "Higher Order of Man", repelling all the useless and negative things associated with the male gender like beer drinking, football, fast cars, slutty women and fart jokes. But, also recognizing and maintaining the more noble pursuits, wrestling, swordplay, hunting, tracking, comradiery, and true romance. Of course, the market for people like that just doesn't exist: the lure of sex alone is too strong for me to find any Brother in Arms. But it's fine, I don't need any Brothers to justify my way of life and thinking, it would just be a... convenience. But maybe having to survive as a individual in this makes a person stronger, and that brings us right back around to the beginning. When all of the romance, comradiery, and socialism is taken away, you and only you exist.
Slight Update: My briefing on Monday went over extremely well. I definitely will not be shipping out before January, and I receive my final orders on Sunday. I can't go in to details, but in spite of almost being assured that I wouldn't be allowed to go back in to my original field, that's exactly what I'm doing.
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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NV -I'm with Mav on this one.You'll never know the whole truth if you don't jsut ask her outright.Don't give up on love just yet ,even if it isn't with her.
Mav - that's some good advice there !
Tristan - See - i thought so.
Bryce
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Thanks, Tristan for asking what the moral of the movie was:
The girls came from America but they weren't what the guys were looking for. Turns out, it was the GIRLS NEXT DOOR who were under their noses the whole time that they really wanted!
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CMH- WOW...this higher order thing sounds amazing, but be prepared for women to stalk you down as the only decent guys in existence who aren't obsessed with football,fast cars, slutty women, and fart jokes. Seeriously, if you asked most women to make a list of the top 5 things about men that bug them...those 4 things would be in various orders in the top 5.
Not too sure about loving someone without actually meeting them. I think you can admire them, but not love them.
Congradulations on getting back and all. I completely understand about the no details thing. My friend who's the Navy SEAL ( strangely also named Chris) can never tell me anything. His emails and phone calls are rather odd at times since he can't even disclose how the weather is or anything that might hint at location.
NV- um now might be a good time to stake your claim. Just tell her you're interested and want to date her and watch how fast new guy ( well you know what I mean) gets the boot. If she truly doesn't respond though...she's simply too dumb to breathe:)
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright
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CMH, wanted to tell you again congrats. I sent you a PM, but I am not sure if you got it.
I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but I did "go celibate" during the final year of my Master's program in order to focus my attentions on that. The first few months were torture, but it eventually became more than tolerable. I have no problems with vows of that nature. They work.
Your ideals of a brotherhood sound like a wonderful idea. I have lived most of them (hate football, fart jokes, and slutty women, but I do like cars), especially the romantic part. I am a firm believer in chivalric love, where it is not always necessary to consumate the relationship. Of course, I am also a seeker of sex, so I may not qualify. It's a nice ideal to have, though, and I respect it.
LA29, you got me pegged. 
Mavourneen, there are no GND's where I live, unfortunately...
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I'm really not completely sure what my issue is. Mostly I'm sick of being the go to guy with little or no reward. If there is a problem I'm usually the one who, at the very least, is contacted for counsel. If there's a job that ain't bein' done that should be, I'll strap on my gear and git the MF done. And as for the residual stuff, I'm left with the anger and pain and frustration that lingers after the dirty work. I wanna be behind the shroud of life. I wanna just veil my eyes from the truth and wander the aimless mediocrity of human existence. And I wanna have a family. I need to see that all this shit ain't for nothing. To pass on something worth remembering.
And, of all things, I want to be wanted. I think the feeling of being needed diminished the thought of being wanted. I forgot what being wanted felt like. I need to feel wanted. I don't know why. Is that stupid?
Just alot of human feelings returning to my jaded ass.
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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I'm really not completely sure what my issue is. Mostly I'm sick of being the go to guy with little or no reward. If there is a problem I'm usually the one who, at the very least, is contacted for counsel. If there's a job that ain't bein' done that should be, I'll strap on my gear and git the MF done. And as for the residual stuff, I'm left with the anger and pain and frustration that lingers after the dirty work. I wanna be behind the shroud of life. I wanna just veil my eyes from the truth and wander the aimless mediocrity of human existence. And I wanna have a family. I need to see that all this shit ain't for nothing. To pass on something worth remembering.
And, of all things, I want to be wanted. I think the feeling of being needed diminished the thought of being wanted. I forgot what being wanted felt like. I need to feel wanted. I don't know why. Is that stupid?
Just alot of human feelings returning to my jaded ass.
Punkin Doodle boy - JUST SAY NO! I know it isn't that easy, but seems to be that you are ENABLING other people to use you for their dirty work. You must react with tough love. Tell them to piss or get off the pot and me lovely granny would say -but she won't cause she isn't with us anymore- Pick and choose when you step in and when you don't. It will be hard, but in the end THEY will be stronger and you will feel less used, less emotionally drained.
And remember we all got nothin but love for the NV!
PS - everyone wants to be wanted. So thats not silly.
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Hey
MSG have your Navy Seal friend call me. I mean after all since ASSHOLE has been telling people he was one )apparently) for years - then maybe I should really have one. wink wink nudge nudge.
Seriously, the peeps keep opening my profile for searhes and all that contact me are OLDER gentleman or the really unsuitable and it is getting depressing.
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FMF!!! 
It's a miracle, we're on at the same time.
Sorry to hear no suitable men are forthcoming. Keep you eyes peeled- he's out there somewhere!
Are you on eharmony? or is it another service?
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