The Next Heroes Thread
POSTED BY: Cybersnark
UPDATED: Monday, January 22, 2007 13:17
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Quote:I took a slightly different interpretation. I think it occurred to Hiro at that moment that nothing he could do would accomplish his purpose. He accepted that he couldn’t save her, and so it wasn’t time that kicked Hiro out of the past, but rather Hiro lost his will to continue trying to save Charlie and slipped back to his own timeline.
Originally posted by RocketJock:
I think it happened at that instant exactly because he was about to convince her. That would have led to a paradox, since the only reason he jumped back in time to save her in the first place was because she was killed. Time needed to protect itself from a paradox--so it removed him from the past, and shielded itself from his attempts to return.
Also I think Hiro probably did tell Charlie enough information to save her, and that information subsequently created a timeline in which Charlie has a fatal aneurysm. So in that regard, I would say that time was trying to protect itself from a paradox, but not by exiling Hiro, rather by protecting the point of intersection of the two timelines. So if Hiro had stayed in that timeline and discovered a cure for Charlie’s aneurysm, she would have been hit by car, or toilet seat would fall on her, or in some way died.
Quote:I think perhaps that’s why Hiro recruited Peter instead of trying to fix things himself. Future Hiro, much more adept at his powers, has figured out ways of changing the future by using proxies to avoid a paradox.
Originally posted by RocketJock:
And now, here's the $64.00 question: What about the potential fate of New York? Hiro saw the Big Apple get baked--if he stops this from happening, does that count as a paradox? Or does the fact that this event hasn't yet happened (in an absolute sense) exempt them from being a paradox?
Also, Mr. Bennett has become one of my favorite characters. Does that make me a bad person?
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You're totally evil. You know I still people on the fence about how evil Claire's dad really is. I mean, I call him DD (Devil Dad) for short, but somebody was telling me, well, he's only doing what any dad would do. If you think about it, technically, he hasn't really done anything (to my memory) completely unforgivable. Now, I can hear you now, but if you have kids (or imagine you do) think about the links to which you would go to see them safe. The most of the things that he [bold]has[/bold] done were for Claire's behalf. Other stuff, not so much maybe? Anyway, what really is this creepy vibe we're getting from him? I know it's intentional on the writers behalf. But maybe we're going to find that Claire's dad isn't so sinister after all. Or there are even more sinister forces at work.
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Claire's dad is almost certainly working for someone. He's likely not doing the whole "tag-and-release" thing on his own initiative (recruiting Isaac in response to the "Save the Cheerleader" mission, OTOH, most likely was his own idea --probably using his position for personal gain in an emergency).
Of course, guys who run paper factories aren't known for being big conspiracy figures, so his whole life right now might be a cover story.
Something about him makes me think "government contacts." He just has this whole Cigarette-Smoking-Man mystique about him.
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Mr. Bennett may share the Cigarette-Smoking Man’s mystery, but not his personality. CSM was a melancholy, isolated and pitiless man. Mr. Bennett is none of those things. He has a family that he genuinely appears to love, and he’s not without a degree of concern for his ‘subject.’ Certainly, abducting people to do experiments on them is one of those things that make people’s skin crawl, so he’s no saint, but he doesn’t seem to have any intent to cause harm to people, and it may be that there is a good reason for what he’s doing. He didn’t hurt Parkman, and he seemed genuinely concerned for Isaac, even though he did effectively force drugs on him. And ultimately, his concern for his daughter is really a strong motivator for sympathy. It’s really hard to hate a man whose actions, whether good or bad, are driven by a genuine and credible concern for his daughter’s safety.
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For most of this first season, I've been on the fence with this series. The first 4 or 5 episodes, the pace was so tedious, it barely gave me a reason to keep watching. But the past 3 episodes have been well worth the wait.
The show still lacks the effortless humor and creativity of Firefly, but I'm into it now. And it appears it will actually make it to a season 2.
The voice over said "a hero will die". If you want to be technical, this means a main character goes bye bye. But voice overs are rarely that exact.
I'm guessing it means that someone with powers of some kind will die. If that is the case that I'm voting for radioactive man. BTW, radioactive man may also be responsible for the big boom in Manhattan, which could also be the mentioned cliffhanger.
The dead person may also be Ando. He may not have powers but he's a hero to Hiro (that can't be right).
Nikki/Jessica is too good a character to off. It doesn't matter if you like her or not because you want to watch her. The same with Nathan although I doubt he will stay a good guy.
And no way will it be Claire. There has to be a future story line between her and Peter, just a whole lot of chemistry.
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Originally posted by felixdacat:
I'm voting for radioactive man. BTW, radioactive man may also be responsible for the big boom in Manhattan, which could also be the mentioned cliffhanger.
Same thing I have been thinking after I saw Isaac's last painting. uhhh A flame guy? Is this radioactive boy? Or is it Peter who absorbed his powers? Is this how he saves the world? Hmmmmmm... BOOM!
Is the "Save the Cheerleader" deal the start of a chain reaction of introductions. Peter gets questioned by the FBI which in turn causes him to meet Matt, Audrey and Radioactive guy.
EDIT: Oh yeah, whats the deal with Sylar being Patient Zero? Did I miss something?
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And that brings us to the mid-season finale. Should be back in just over a month, with a certain new actor (not that that'll make the wait any easier). Maybe the comic will continue.
We got some answers this week, but more questions were raised: Just what is the Haitian's agenda? Who is Bennet really working for? Why is Peter suddenly getting sick? Where are his visions coming from?
The powers have also become confused: it's now starting to look like Bennet's the one who can jam peoples' abilities (why Sylar couldn't attack him), while the Haitian is just a memory-wiper. But that still doesn't account for Matt's reaction in the bar; Bennet wasn't there when he failed to read the Haitian.
I'm gonna miss Eden, I really liked her character. Lot of complexity and back-story. At least she managed to prevent Sylar from stealing her power.
It also looks like Hiro might have lost his powers (according to his latest blog entry, at least: http://blog.nbc.com/hiro_blog/
I'm really excited about that dinosaur though. And Hiro's reaction: "I've got to find that sword."
This week's comic is about the fallout from the death, and shows us that Sylar is still in custody. http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_011.shtml
The Easter Egg is the Explody-man: 
Interestingly, note the name of the JPG: energy man. Is it possible this isn't Ted or Peter melting down as we've been assuming?
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I think Sylar is still shamming if he remains in custody. If he was able to pull Eden through the glass I have to believe he could have walked at any time. I wonder if he will still be able to take Eden's power. Does he need the brain completely intact or just certain parts in order to extract whatever it is he takes?
The whole thing with Peter's illness may have something to do with Matt's headaches and nosebleed. Either there is a deeper connection between the two or the use of their abilities is having adverse effects on their brains. I am clueless with regards to Peter's sudden ability to see the future. I do have a theory on how he might cause the big boom. So far he seems comfortable when he absorbs other abilities, at times he seems more adept than those he borrows from. Maybe he is going to absorb a power that is beyond his control and he will just lose it. That whole vision he had was a bit strange. No one in the whole city except for the main characters, also what's up with Claire wearing the cheerleader outfit?
I liked how some of the heroes were finally brought together. Most notably Hiro/Issac and Peter/Matt. The interogation scene was quite interesting. I've read some posts noting the chemistry between Peter and Claire. Isn't she supposed to be about 15 years old? He must be in his early to mid-twenties. Can't see anything developing there.
Finally I'm thrilled to see the show is coming back on January 22nd. When those promos were running last week about how there wouldn't be any new episodes until next year I had visions of a 6 month hiatus ala BSG.
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Logicaly, Sylar would need whatever part of the brain serves as the "trigger." Note how alarmed he looked when Eden was about to shoot herself. Plus the comic suggests that Sylar & the Haitian arrived with tranqs before he managed to get anything out of her skull.
I'm guessing Matt's nosebleed comes from trying to override whatever was done to his memory. A lot of live-action shows use nosebleeds as shorthand for "I'm about to have a neural aneurism."
And yeah, Peter has something of a learning curve with certain powers. Ted's power seems to be uncontrolled, so it'd make sense that Peter wouldn't be able to suppress it.
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I think Matt's nosebleed was from trying to push through the Haitian's interference - remember that was 1: the first time that Matt conciously tried to penetrate the block (knowing that he was being blocked), and 2: the first time he tried to scan without the Haitian knowing that Matt was trying to scan.
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