newest Iraq strategy
POSTED BY: NewOldBrownCoat
UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 17:19
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I've seen this idea several places lately. Suggestions that we get Iran and Syria to help us stabilize Iraq.
"Now, I'm confused."
Isn't that like asking Hitler and Hirohito to help us control Mussolini? Aren't they, if not friends and allies, at least agreed in opposing us?
How can anybody expect that to work?
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You'll hear a lot of BS about what to "do" with Iraq. Most of it won't make any sense and will prolly have very little to do with what's happening in the background. Murtha's plan for "phased redeployment" doesn't make any sense. Where do we re-deploy TO, and how do we keep the situation from completely deteriorating once we leave? The alternate (or companion) proposition to force milestones in return for USA w/drawal doesn't make much sense either, since w/drawing USA support is not necesarily an inducement for progress.
Baker, HW Bush's advisor, is in charge now but don't celebrate 'cause Baker is about as crooked as they get www.hereinreality.com/baker.html and unfortunately the Dems are buying into some of Baker's other proposals (Gates, for one) in order to get political cover for change in Iraq. Baker will prolly buy off several groups. WHO he buys off, exactly, will depend on who is closest to achieving power and is willing to negotiate. He may offer
IRAN: Our willingness to look away from Iran's nuclear programs in return for their tolerance of a Sunni state.
IRAQI SHIAS: Our willingness to overlook close ties with Iran in return for sharing oil revenue w/ Sunnis. Also possibly aid.
IRAQI KURDS: Our pressure on Turkey to allow a Kurdish state in return for sharing oil revenues w/ the Sunnis.
IRAQI SUNNIS: Receipt of shared oil revenues in return and aid in return for and end to insurgency.
Likely in all of this there will be plenty of oppty for the Carlyle group to sell arms in return for oil, and plenty of oppty for USA oil firms for exclusive oil contracts.
It's a complete cluster f*ck.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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At this point, why don't we call off Saddam's rope appointment, and put him back in Iraq as the leader, this time, tell him to be good. And put an explosive charge in his head for insurance.
Then we can get out.
WHAT? I can't make as little sense as our government?
Chrisisall
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! I like YOUR plan best!
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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I called this one too :) yay me. But seriously, if you look back, I said this about a year ago or more.
It's an excellent idea. It's neither dumb nor crazy. The idea that Syria and Iran are our enemies is a dumb neocon notion, fostered largely by Israel. Sure, they may be enemies of Israel, but they are not enemies of *us*, *yet*. And it would be an excellent idea to take an act of good faith to prevent them from becoming enemies of us. We don't want enemies. Enemies are bad. And, simultaneously, we can solve a real serious problem of our own.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I called this one too :) yay me. But seriously, if you look back, I said this about a year ago or more.
It's an excellent idea. It's neither dumb nor crazy. The idea that Syria and Iran are our enemies is a dumb neocon notion, fostered largely by Israel. Sure, they may be enemies of Israel, but they are not enemies of *us*, *yet*. And it would be an excellent idea to take an act of good faith to prevent them from becoming enemies of us. We don't want enemies. Enemies are bad. And, simultaneously, we can solve a real serious problem of our own.
Yup. This is what we should have done in the first place. Iraq was never a threat to the US, but it was, and still is, a problem for the other nations in the region. They should be the ones dealing with the problem.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
At this point, why don't we call off Saddam's rope appointment, and put him back in Iraq as the leader, this time, tell him to be good. And put an explosive charge in his head for insurance.
Then we can get out.
WHAT? I can't make as little sense as our government?
I'm frightened. That's actually starting to sound like the good alternative.
Remember the old " son of a bitch " story? Supposedly LBJ said about some South Viet short term strongman, " He may be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch."
Seems like that might be what we're looking for in Iraq.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Sure, they may be enemies of Israel, but they are not enemies of *us*, *yet*.
'Scuse me, is all of that talk out of Tehran for the last 25 years just camel farts? Hard not to be enemies of somebody you keep calling the Great Satan, and declaring holy jihads against.
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I think getting the leaders of the muslim countries to have a leadership role in Iraq is a good idea to consider.
I think when President Bush considered invading one country he forgot that it seems that in muslim countries if you invade one muslim country you are really invading them all. There were therefore many stakeholders in the Iraq war. These stakeholders included all the muslim countries.
Iran has taken a leadership role in the region and America can never be apart of that club. One has to consider all the purposes / wants of the stakeholders in the situation in order to solve problems that involve people. One of the purposes/ wants of Iraq citiizens, Iraq government, Iran citizens, Iran government may be to have a muslim/ arab leadership role in any muslim country. Giving some leadership responsibility to Iran for Iraq would be one way to forfill this purpose/want.
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quite frankly any Iraq strategy that doesnt include the illegitimacy of the war in the first place is not worth our time and no help whatsover. the problem with Iraq is the way American foreign policy is handled.. bottom line
since i know our government was behind 9.11.. how am i supposed to feel about this proxy war on terror in IRaq? the same way i feel about 9.11 actually.. that it didnt have to happen and needs to be exposed for what it truly is- a western elitist orchestration and power grab
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