Is there still hope???
POSTED BY: IrishBrowncoat
UPDATED: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:10
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I don't have any hope, but it's nice that others do.
And I'm not looking for encouragement/sympathy/etc or anything - I'm completely fine with Serenity being the end.
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"'Babylon 5: The Lost Tales' is a direct-to-DVD project based on the popular series from the mid-1990s. Lost Tales first DVD, titled 'Voices of the Dark' has now begun production. As usual, J. Michael Straczynski and Doug Netter will be running the show with Straczynski directing. The characters, President John Sheridan (Boxleitner), Captain Elizabeth Lochley (Scoggins) and the technomage Galen (Woodward) are returning. The Lost Tales is an anthology series of sorts with two movies (previously three) per DVD starting in 2007. "
B5 is a good example of what i guess we can hope for either a tv moive or some sort of series movies that are stright to dvd releases.
but i am guess b5 had a great run on the air and has a bigger fanbase.
what we have to do is keep buying firefly stuff etc be it dvds,tshrits,games,toys etc but to show the money men that there is a fan base out there.
and with a stright to dvd release i am guessing it is cheaper to do then a movie release.
and since dvds cost more for us to buy would i be right in saying that means more money for the money men?
and we seen that probley the dvd market is the best way for firefly fans?
with the great selling of both the series and flim on dvd been the main money earner.
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Bingo. Firefly was a flop for FOX - it averaged 2.6 million viewers, which is crap for FOX, but cost multi millions to make. It was a bit of a flop in movie theatres, too.
However, Firefly on DVD has likely sold into the millions, with almost no promotion from the studio (seriously, has anybody ever seen a Firefly DVD set advert)?
I actually know Joss Whedon has been working on putting together a DVD project, although it's not neccessarily Firefly related. But I wouldn't put it on outside the range of possibility of happening.
The only thing is the Firefly fanbase is, to be honest, fairly small. Not to say we're not mighty, because we are - but nobody on the street knows what a Browncoat is, but they can probably tell you what a Trekkie is, for example. So I've no idea if the finances add up, but you never know.
Example: we know for certain that Firefly sold 250,000 copies, as this was disclosed online in 2004. 200,000 times by £15 per DVD would bring in a budget of £3.7m (about $7m). That'd be almost enough to do something. "SERENITY" (the 90 minute episode) cost around $9m in 2002.
In my opinion, the fan base should take real focus at 20th Century Home Entertainment and Universal Home Entertainment. They have the budgets, and both are developing other DVD premiere projects.
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However, Firefly on DVD has likely sold into the millions, with almost no promotion from the studio (seriously, has anybody ever seen a Firefly DVD set advert)?
you are very right the only reason there was ever a flim was due to the fan base.
the ddvd sells showed the flim makers that there was fans out there.
even though i say most fans went to see the flim and loved it.
there was alot more peeps out there who would have loved it but didnt due to lack of big known stars and kinda the way it was promoted peeps were not 100% sure what the flim was about.
but the fan base alone is the strength behind the dvd sales. so best thing i say is to get the money men to maybe think of stright to dvd stuff.
heck i for one would buy it.
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Hi gossi,
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Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
What hope does Sereifly have? Direct to DVD movies."
And even Direct to DVD doesn't mean we won't be able to see Serenity II, III, IV (whoops forgot my roman numerals) etc. on the Big Darn Screen.
We know how to do that.
And Universal even verified last year that we can show DVD to Big Darn Screen through Universal not that other company that doesn't allow you to advertise.
And there can also be select city releases. Also there are several theater owners around the US and UK who know Browncoats will show up.
Show it in the theater and sell the DVD right at the theater.
For more info on Serenity Charity Screenings see http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com/
5 organizers signed up for Serenity Charity Screenings around June 23, 2007
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The 'Can't Stop The Serenity' screenings for Equality Now were an unqualified success. Organizers held events in 47 cities around the world, raising over $65,000 for the women's rights advocacy group.
And remember, there are still foreign countries that Serenity has not been released in. According to imdb.com SLiTHER (Nathan Fillion as Sheriff Bill Pardy) is being released in Japan – 23 December 2006. I thought SLiTHER's release dates had stopped awhile ago. Serenity was never was released to theaters in Japan.
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And there can also be select city releases. Also there are several theater owners around the US and UK who know Browncoats will show up.
that would be best case scenario i think that is some what plausible.
but i cant see that taken off big time. and if there were screenings i guess they be only a few out side the US.
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No no no, not "The Mask." That was a fun flick. I said "SON of the Mask" the one that came years later and that nobody was expecting or wanted to see. Yet, it was made.
No, I am not insane, I am crazy. Thank you for asking.
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I'M PUTTING THIS IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO THAT EVERYONE DOES GET A CHANCE TO SEE THIS.
THE ONLY/BEST CHANCE THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET FIREFLY BACK ON T.V. IS FOR THE SCI-FI NETWORK TO PICK IT UP.
FOX OWNING THE RIGHTS MEANS VERY LITTLE. THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SERIES AND HAVE NO NEED TO HOLD ON TO RIGHTS THAT THEY WILL NEVER USE TO TURN A PROFIT WITH ANYWAYS.
PUSHING SCI-FI TO PICK UP THE SERIES IS 100% THE BEST WAY TO GET FIREFLY BACK ON THE AIR...THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S EASIER SAID THEN DONE.
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ok, i dunno if this thread is still on topic, because i didn't really read through it, but i'll assume so.
here's what i have to say on the subject:
the very nature of hope answers that question in hte affirmative. i've no doubt that what you ment by 'hope' was something along the lines of 'is there still a resonable chance?' but frankly i like hope better-
-and my opinion on HOPE for firefly is that as long as atleast one of the original 11 cast members is alive (the original 11 being the 9 actors, joss, and summer's feet), i intend to hope. feel free to join me.
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Originally posted by Smitty1919:
FOX OWNING THE RIGHTS MEANS VERY LITTLE. THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SERIES AND HAVE NO NEED TO HOLD ON TO RIGHTS THAT THEY WILL NEVER USE TO TURN A PROFIT WITH ANYWAYS.
Smitty , there's always more than one way for something to get done .
Sci-Fi is a very small network with big parents . If you only have new Firefly content on the Sci-Fi network , then you are automatically limiting the demographic . Firefly is premium content that breaks the Sci-Fi mold and appeals to much more than just the uber-geek fanboy following . Firefly appeals to an incredible range of fans , from say , about 7-years-old up to about 77 . Plus the show attracts viewers that would not typically choose a science-fiction program . A lot of females choose to watch Firefly , but a more typical science-fiction demographic skews more heavily male .
We've got lots of options .
Fox owning the rights actually means a lot . If someone decides to make new Firefly content for television , Fox can be persuaded to cash in that chip . Perhaps with a profit-sharing arrangement whereby they don't charge the full market price for the series rights up front , but take some percentage points of the subsequent DVD sales of the series once it is re-established .
This is Hollywood we're talking about . Deals will get made , so long as there is cashy money to be had .
Since Firefly is premium content , it would be best located on a premium network with a paying subscriber base . HBO or Showtime could get it done . HBO spent around 75 million dollars to produce " From The Earth To The Moon " . Tom Hanks was behind it , because after
" Apollo 13 " , he still felt that there were lots of untold stories remaining from the Apollo missions to the moon .
Seventy-five megabucks would be more than sufficient to produce a Firefly mini-series of about 14 hours in length . Likely it could be done for substantially less , maybe even only 50 million . Only about twice the cost of the Serenity movie , but enough new Firefly for a new " episode " of the mini-series to be shown every night for a week during its premiere time .
Then , those episodes could be parsed out to be re-shown , as a weekly series of episodes to be run for 7 weeks .
Then , prior to the next season's Firefly premiere , the " mini-series " format would be run again in a marathon session , to allow folk to catch up , if they'd missed any episodes .
The advantages :
1) We get lots of fresh , new Firefly content with production values probably on par with a feature film , but we get " a seasons worth " of shows , enough to make a second Firefly boxset .
2) The network gets to sign on lots of new Browncoat subscribers .
3) Firefly develops a larger following across a broad demographic , from people who already subscribe to the premium network .
4) Firefly finally gets some well-deserved notice and wins some Emmy awards .
5) The B.D. Heroes get to film the mini-series within a timeframe of maybe 90-100 days , which still allows them plenty of time to devote to other projects .
6) The Firefly series continues year after year and gains in popularity , becoming known to a huge number of households in the United States alone .
7) The network re-sells the show to its partners in overseas markets .
8) So many new Browncoats are being made that eventual demand requires new FF/Serenity feature films be made once every 2-3 years .
There are lots of other advantages , like increased merchandising , for example , that are not even considered at the moment .
If anyone thinks of other advantages to a plan like this , feel free to add your own thoughts .
Keep the Faith . Share the Love . Feel the Joy !
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