Nasty people
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 17:07
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
For the record, this is what Slick said was at the site:
WHAT HE SAID
"The site notes some of Sen. Kerry's more egregious anti-soldier quotes from the past 35 years and calls him on them."
And this is what was actually at the site, right up on top in LARGE type:
WHAT THE SITE SAYS
AIDING ENEMY PROPAGANDA and
HIS LONG HISTORY OF TREASON
and further down
your apologies are worthless
You are acting like a propagandist for the enemy
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This is not a mere 'noting' of comments or a 'calling him on them'.
I could pull nasty quote tidbits from the Impeachbush site as well, but what's the point? Both sites advocate rather extreme fringes of the left/right spectrum. However, we got links to both sites posted. Why not let people read them and make up their own minds?
The point is that there are fringes on both sides, but this does not mean that "reasoned discussion" cannot occur between the reasonable people on each side.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Slick,
I hope you WILL pull nastly quotes. Why not?
I looked and couldn't find any. To make it easy on you, here's that link again. http://www.impeachbush.org
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Hey, come on now... lets find some middle ground
Most people I know think neither Bush or Kerry could Captain a rowboat without alienating one or both of the oarsmen.
Perhaps as your constitution is evolving to limit personal freedoms, it should also evolve to limit the executive powers you presently allow. If any new law designed to stop a rampaging Bush would also work to stop a rampaging Hillary Clinton... Would that not work for everyone ?
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That would be nice. But it seems to be that as the power of the 'unitary executive' goes up citizen liberties go down, .... 
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Rue, don't take this as an aggressive line of questioning, but do you really believe that the liberal left hasn't done just as much harm to this country as the conservative right? I have a hard time understanding how anyone can defend either party so fervently.
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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What has the 'liberal left' done that was so destructive?
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The general indifference to illegal aliens. This isn't just a redneck-patriot sentiment. The effect that this is having on our country, amongst other things, is the death of the middle class. If middle class people are forced to compete with slave wages, then you have all of middle America fall in to poverty. At that point, we live in soviet Russia. There's a ruling class, and an impoverished working class. That's not what this country's about.
Double standards, making things easier for minorities. It's not helpful to them. It's detrimental to tell people that we expect less from them because of their race, gender or creed. America thrives on a competitive market.
A host of other things. Neither party is interested in representing the people anymore, only in repaying special interest groups, and appealing just enough to any given class of American to get their vote. Confidence men.
But y'know, asking what the left's done that's destructive really betrays your true heart. You're not interested in discourse or reasoning, because you're already convinced that you're on the right side of things, that somehow your chosen party has got it all figured out.
And if that's not what you believe, then you asking me what they've done was just you trying to get me to say something so that you could take issue with it. If that's what your intention was, it's a dirty trick.
I think any reasonable person, here or anywhere else, realizes that no "wing" has a monopoly on good or bad ideas and actions. If you're one of them and I'm just mis-understanding your words and intent, then I apologize. I wont say another word if that's the case, because we're on the same side.
If, however, you're truly convinced in the infailability of the left, or even that it's noticeably better than the right, then I also have nothing more to say to you, because I know people like you are unwilling to compromise even the slightest detail of their opinions. As long as people like you make up the majority of either side of the political system, this country will continue to suffer. There are more than just the two sides to every issue.
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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,
I hope you WILL pull nastly quotes. Why not?
I looked and couldn't find any. To make it easy on you, here's that link again. http://www.impeachbush.org
Click on "NY Times Ad" at the top of the page, and get:
Quote:
President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald
H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United
States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the
civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law
and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States.
About matches the tone of the anti-Kerry retoric, don't you think?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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CHRISMOORHEAD
I TOOK THIS OUT OF CONTEXT IN ORDER TO REPLY to this one thing. "You're not interested in discourse or reasoning ..."
Actually, I really wanted to know. I have a laundry list of destructive things the Bush administration, and the republican congress before him, have done. And so I really wanted to know what's so bad about the democrats - in detail. Not just arm waving and 'they're all the same ... there's no difference' over and over.
You seemed like you had something in mind so I was hoping you could tell me. Draw me the big bad picture. You needn't go into huge detail - just enough to focus on each thing you see as an issue.
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Slick would have you believe that the follwing site had these words:
Quote:FOR THE RECORD the site had no such language.
President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald
H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United
States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the
civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law
and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States.
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