What do YOU want the Dems to do?

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Thursday, November 16, 2006 01:18
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ERIC

Thursday, November 9, 2006 4:53 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Good list, Eric.

Can they also fund Joss on a Firefly sequel? Or would that be harder than getting out of Iraq?

Just a thought while we're askin' for so much Chrisisall

Done!

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, November 9, 2006 5:06 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Joke aside, you WANT the Dems to f**k up as badly? Just for partisan satisfaction?

After 12 years of saying how they could do things better it's time to step up to the plate (to a certain degree). It's much easier to point out flaws then to actually strive to make real changes. It's like our Liberals here who fail to see the irony of incessantly attacking the minority Conservative Government over their clean air act when all they did for 13 years in power was pay the environment lip service.
I think it will be refreshing for certain members of this forum to switch roles. Now Auraptor and Hero get to pick apart the Dem's policies and Rue, SignyM, Righteous, Soupcatcher, and yourself among other's, can lead the D - fence.

Posting to stir stuff up.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 9, 2006 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Now Auraptor and Hero get to pick apart the Dem's policies and Rue, SignyM, Righteous, Soupcatcher, and yourself among other's, can lead the D - fence.

I'm not gonna defend shit. I wanna see something from them, or I'll be right there takin' my shots. I don't care who's in office, I just wanna see a certain lack-of-needless-death attributed to our fearless leaders.

We can bicker about taxes and education till judgement day, but LIFE, the lives of our troops, of the innocents, that's MY priority. That won't wait, and can't be fixed or replaced. If they have no answers for Iraq, they're as useless as the Neo-Con trash in there now.

I'm obviously hoping for better.

Take out the trash Chrisisall

RIGHTEOUS9

Thursday, November 9, 2006 5:53 PM

I want investigations.

Part of me doesn't like the idea though. Part of me thinks that the democrats could get more done if they gave Bush a chance to salvage his legacy by doing some good...that if they didn't put the heat on him they could trade that good will for bipartisanship on legislation, but...

if there were laws broken by this President...if the Constitution itself was ignored by this man, and I thik it has been, I think it is far more harmful for our country to continue to let these things stay buried from the public and go unprosecuted.

I think it is damaging long-term to continue to foster an environment where our politicians can get away with murder. I don't want my democratic congressmen making deals in Washington so that when what goes around comes around they get a get-out-of-jail free card themselves.

Investigations, quite frankly, are the inconvenient thing for democrats. I think it could make them a congress of no other accomplishments than "cleaning up" Washington. I'm not sure how confident the public will be in such a clean up. We've been inundated with the idea that both parties are corrupt. And at some point or other both parties have been.

I will trust them more if they go after corruption, instead of letting it slide. I don't know if this would restore the public's faith in our government or jade it further...but its better to have a jaded public that doesn't believe in the system than to have a system that shouldn't be believed in, I think.

I assure you, I want a congress that is clean, and I don't care what jersey they wear. I want no less oversight for dems than I want for republicans. It is our right and our responsibility as Citizens of this nation to have and to use that oversight. I won't tolerate a corrupt democrat any more than a corrupt republican, and I won't tolerate it(any more than I have to) if they don't roll back all of the secrecy in Washington now that they are in charge.

CITIZEN

Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:20 PM

I'm looking forward to AURaptor and Hero calling the Dem's facists for not removing the civil rights curbing bills they loved from Bush.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 9, 2006 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I'm looking forward to AURaptor and Hero calling the Dem's facists for not removing the civil rights curbing bills they loved from Bush.

Yes, definitly. We must have uncivil rights.

More left-leaning comedy from the commie duo of Maoistisall and Socialistcitizen.

CITIZEN

Thursday, November 9, 2006 7:39 PM

A tale of two Comrade Cows:

CHRISTIAN: You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

SOCIALIST: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

REPUBLICAN: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?

DEMOCRAT: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.

COMMUNIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk.

FASCIST: You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.

MICROSOFT: You buy the rights to two cows. You 'upgrade' them until they're bloated, unproductive and will only survive on MicrosoftFeed (tm). The milk they give can only be drunk from MicrosoftCups (tm) - Annoyingly, they keep getting a virus and dying.

APPLE: You have two cows. They're translucent! You can see all the guts and stuff. The cows cost more than other cows, but goddamn if they aren't the best-looking cows around.

DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then pours the milk down the drain.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE: You have two cows, but the milkmaid charges too much to milk them. You sell both cows, lay off the milkmaid, and move to mexico, where you can buy 100 cows and 20 milkmaids with the money and export it back to the States.

ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take your cows

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallo-centric, war mongering intolerant past) two differently-aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non-specified gender.

AMERICAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead.

FRENCH CORPORATION: You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows.

JAPANESE CORPORATION: You have two cows. You redesign them so they are an eleventh the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk.

GERMAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month and milk themselves.

ITALIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows but you don't know where they are. You break for lunch.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

MEXICAN CORPORATION: You think you have two cows, but you're not sure where they are. You'll look for them tomorrow.

SWISS CORPORATION: You have 5000 cows, none of which belongs to you. You charge for storing them for others.

BRAZILIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You enter into a partnership with an American corporation. Soon you have 1000 cows and the American corporation declares bankruptcy.

INDIAN CORPORATION: You have two cows. You worship them.

TALIBAN ORGANIZATION: You have two cows. You load them up with explosives and herd them onto your neighbor's property where you blow them up. Your neighbor dies. You starve to death.

FREE AGENT: You have two cows. Despite the constant attention you pay them, there are frequent dry spells during which they don't give milk.

PINK SLIPPER: You have two cows. Suddenly they become a liability and you're forced to sell them on Ebay to pay your exorbitant rent.

DOT-COMMER: You have two cows. A week later you have two thousand cow

SERGEANTX

Thursday, November 9, 2006 8:43 PM

I'll give two answers. First the pragmatic one,

I don't have any confidence that the modern Democratic party will do anything I want, so I don't want them to do anything. If they like, they can propose all kinds of irrelevant nonsense (minimum wage, socialized this and that, etc, etc,...) that Bush can then veto. That'll work.

I once saw a fantastic speech by George Will on the wonderful blessings of gridlock. It's the most effective firewall against bad government. It's the most realist hope for our future.

Now, if we're talking fantasy...

I'd have the Dems repeal the Patriot Act, along with all the other fascist tweaks installed by Bush and company. They'd dismantle the Homeland Insecurity gestapo and open up our borders in a way appropriate to a country that pretends to love freedom. They'd get the hell out of Iraq after at least some reasonable attempt to pay for damages. They'd announce that we are no longer supporting corporate adventures in the middle east, so multinationals be warned - we're not your security thugs anymore. They'd tell the Muslim nations of that region that we won't be bothering them anymore. "But don't ask us for any favors and don't fuck with us or will nuke you into oblivion." I got more, but the complete impossibility of any of this happening is depressing...

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

KANEMAN

Thursday, November 9, 2006 8:44 PM

"After 12 years of saying how they could do things better it's time to step up to the plate"

And do what? The markets are great, the economy is better every day, we are safe, and BSG is on tomorrow. How can life get any better?

*edit*
Besides having a margarita in my dirty paws.....

REDLAVA

Thursday, November 9, 2006 8:45 PM

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Originally posted by Eric:
1. Raise the minimum wage.
2. Roll back tax cuts for wealthiest 1%.
3. Investigate war profiteering (e.g., Halliburton overcharging for serving spoiled rotten food to the troops, reconstruction fraud).
4. Negotiate Medicare drug prices.
5. Reduce the trade deficit and close tax loopholes for companies that outsource American jobs.
6. Increase funding for higher education.
7. Get the troops off the streets in Iraq, redefine their mission as something than can be achieved without patrolling streets as big slow moving targets.
8. Come up with a plan to make health care affordable. Not free, not nationalized, not (gasp!) socialized, just affordable.
9. Make tough new penalties for people who hire illegal immigrants, and relax legal immigration policies.
10. Yeah, investigate intelligence manipulation, torture policies, and anti-constitutional warrantless spying by Bushco, and take appropriate action, whether it be censure or impeachment, or prosecution for war crimes after leaving office.
11. Implement all 9/11 commission recommendations, and finally do a proper investigation.
12. Get Bin Laden.

Plus:

13. Fund Joss on a Firely sequel. For the good of America.
They can do that in 2 years, right?

Lets not forget that we need to sign the Kyoto Protocol as well.

Everybody always has the advantage over us, but that's what makes us special...and Browncoats.

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