A few basic questions from a Buffy noob.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Thursday, November 30, 2006 22:23
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So for some reason my Buffy posts today just disappeared. Annoying, that.
Anyway, I think we are saying the same things, yes?
Buffy was called and then Merrick found her. There was never really any 'slaying on her own.' Merrick was killed, the gym was burned down, Buffy moved to Sunnydale where the events of Season #1, ep#1 took place.
I'm not seeing much 'slaying on her own.' Or even much monkeying with the mythology.
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Anyway, I think we are saying the same things, yes?
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I'm not seeing much 'slaying on her own.' Or even much monkeying with the mythology.
Agreed. I've never seen the movie, but based on the eps "Welcome to the Hellmouth" and "Becoming, Pt.1", she became the Slayer; Merrick found her, trained her; she fought the vamps at her high school in LA; Merrick was killed; the gym burned down and she was expelled; she and her mom moved to Sunnydale; Giles became her watcher. She made it more than clear during that first episode that she'd had it with slaying after the events in LA--had quit, retired, etc. She was basically dragged back into it, kicking and screaming, so I can't see any way she was doing any 'freelance slaying' during that period where she was watcher-less...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Then why is it that Buffy didn't meet Giles until after she was slaying on her own, while Kendra was taken from her parents at a young age to train with HER Watcher ?
I know, I know.... they made it up as they went along. (sigh)
Um, what are you talking about? Sure, the first ep of Buffy does have Buffy meeting Giles for the first time, BUT she does make reference to happenings in the movie. If memory serves, that watcher died. So, Giles would have been her replacement watcher."
So, I'm suppose to know what happened in the movie too ? Told ya I was a noob!
Forgetting about the movie, I recall there being references to Buffy having nightmares of goulish slayings and such. I know Slayers have memories or visions of all the past slayers, and I thought it was there that the whole story was starting.
I forgot about the movie and it's relevence in the timeline.
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Someone probably allready answered all of them, but I'll answer them anyway :)
How is it that there are so many Watchers when there can only be 1 Slayer? There are lots of potential slayers that can be trained before they're activated, like kendra, she started her training long before she became a slayer
Also, why was Kendra sent alone to Sunnydale,after Buffy 'died'? Shouldn't she have had her own Watcher, or was she to be entrusted to Giles ? She wasn't meant to come to Sunnydale long-term, Kendra's watcher trusted Kendra to complete her mission on her own
When Faith saw her Watcher murdered, why wasn't she quickly reassigned w/ a new one? She ran away, then wound up with Giles, so she was entrusted to him until Wesley came along.
And if Giles is in charge of a Slayer, how is it that he's so far on the 'outs' with the Watcher's Council ? Seems he's the last to hear anything concerning the Council or to get a memo concerning their wishes. Can't they just pick up the damn phone and call sometimes? I think for the most part he gets the important information, the council usually doesn't have lots of good intel, they're better with what's past opposed to what's present, so buffy could go to them to ask them questions, but not very often did they come to her with specific information that wasn't requested
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There were really only two 'huge' continuity problems in the whole Buffy series.
One was how, if I'm not mistaken, in the movie she was a Junior or a Senior and in the series she was a Sophomore.
The other (and this one I am quite sure of) is the origin of Spike. It is widely accepted the Drucilla sired Spike. Hell in one flashback they show it happen. But if that's the case, why in School Hard (Season 2, Ep. 15) did Spike say to Angel, and I quote, "You were my Sire, man! You were my Yoda!"?
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Buffy's grade changed from the movie because in a tv series, when it centers around a high school student, they need to actually stay in high school for a little while (Veronia Mars and Gilmore Girls had their main characters start in 10th grade too; I think it's just standard). A lot of the slayer mythology from the movie changed too. There was a slayer mole and if Buffy got near a vampire, she'd get cramps. The cramps especially would get tiresome on tv, so all of that kind of stuff was taken out. The vampires could also kind of hover/fly in the movie. I haven't actually seen the movie since I saw it on tv in 1994 so my memory if kind of iffy. I do know that Joss has been asked in interviews about the mythology difference between the movie and tv and that's basically what he said--television logistics.
About the Spike/Drusilla thing... that does come up a lot. Spike was only meant to last until What's My Line (the organ dropping on him was meant to dust him) but he was so popular and the writers just generally liked to work with him so they had to expand his story quite a bit. In the long run, Drusilla siring him makes more sense. And his Sire/Yoda line still sort of works. Angel is like Spike's vampire grandpa. Like sire once-removed. The blood-line relationship is still there. And although Drusilla turned him into a vampire, Angelus had more of the teacher role in showing him how to be a vampire (Spike explicitly states this in "Destiny" - Drusilla sired me, but you made me a monster).
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As early as just a couple of months after "School Hard", the writers were explaining that being someone's 'sire', besides the obvious interpretation, can also simply refer to a vampire being from the same 'line'. So for example, Darla can also be considered the sire of both Dru and Spike, and the Master the sire of all four of them...
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And his Sire/Yoda line still sort of works. Angel is like Spike's vampire grandpa. Like sire once-removed. The blood-line relationship is still there. And although Drusilla turned him into a vampire, Angelus had more of the teacher role in showing him how to be a vampire (Spike explicitly states this in "Destiny" - Drusilla sired me, but you made me a monster).
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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
As early as just a couple of months after "School Hard", the writers were explaining that being someone's 'sire', besides the obvious interpretation, can also simply refer to a vampire being from the same 'line'. So for example, Darla can also be considered the sire of both Dru and Spike, and the Master the sire of all four of them...
Eh...I still won't buy it. Angel will always be the sire of Spike to me and EVERY time I hear/see the Drusilla supposedly is, I get perturbed. IMO, they changed it when they came up with the 'vampire drinking blood is like sex' thing. Couldn't let Angel have homosexual leanings when he's the love of Buffy's life, now could we.
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The movie isn't canon (Joss wrote the script but they didn't follow it very closely, in fact the exposition was in Donald Sutherland's hands and he decided to ad lib instead of learn any of his lines, which pretty much gutted the film of all canon information).
However Fray, and Tales of the Slayer (comic, not the short stories) ARE canon, and explain a lot about slayer mythology....
You'll find (as Buffy is better trained) that Giles leaves Sunnydale so that Buffy can 'slay alone', and in fact they mention that Kendra started training long before she was 'called' and would therefore be far advanced in her slayer knowledge/abilities (although of course we see that Buffy has natural abilities which end up being more effective than Kendra's training).
All of the mythology unfolds as you keep watching (we are learning new bits right through the 7th season) and I hope you do keep watching!
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