Look, I know it's been overdone - but abortion - yay or nay?
POSTED BY: FLF
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 13:13
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But like you pointed out, the Shciavo case not that long ago proved that nothing's been "resolved" on that issue. There were protesters outside of the hospital and all over the country who said that she should be kept alive. I beleive the news even reported one guy who rushed into the hospital to try and hydrate her.
I'll reitterate; just because the court makes a decision doesn't mean anything's resolved. If gay marriage can be banned on the basis of ideology, then there's certainly room for it to push itself into matters of life and death.
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Quote:Nope. I’m pretty much okay with defining humans as human. I start getting a little bit of a headache when people starting trying to nitpick the line between human and something not human so that they can justify killing something with a clear conscience.
Originally posted by SignyM:
You reduce it to: A human is human. My head hurts from that one! Doesn't yours? .
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"who said that she should be kept alive" BECAUSE SHE STILL HAD BRAIN FUNCTION.
They were using the the same criteria as Mr Schiavo, just wrong data. Once the data proved there was no brain function b/c there was no possibility of brain function because there was no BRAIN, they agreed and went away. They reached the same conclusion, based on the same data, and using the same criteria. There really was a consensus on what it means to be alive. And being alive means brain activity.
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Hmm, then I'm grossly ill-informed. I never heard anything about the crowd outside dissipating untill after she had already died. Maybe I was wrong about it, but I was not aware of any breakthrough recognition by fundamentalists about Schiavo's condition.
Maybe you could point me in the direction of an article or something?
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Finn, Finn, Finn ....
Do you really expect everyone to just accept your definition ? Are you going to do one of those - I define the English langauge around here and I get to say what words mean ! You know how far that goes, don'cha?
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It was after the fact. After threats of political and religious retribution had been made, after her death, and after the autopsy. The threats, promised lawsuits, political action and protests all fizzled away. All the outrage was gone. Frist slunk away never to mention it again, as did the Bushes (Jeb and dubya - wow, what a picture those names make. Don't you just see poor white trash picking up road kill and throwing it in the back of the pickup on their way to the still? "hey Jeb, that's some 'coon we got there. hardly smells or nuthin'." "you betcha, dubya.") Plus a few other names I've forgotten - the preacher outside the clinic who was making all sorts of public appearance hay at the time. Whatever happened to him, what's-his-name?
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Hmm, then I'm grossly ill-informed. I never heard anything about the crowd outside dissipating untill after she had already died. Maybe I was wrong about it, but I was not aware of any breakthrough recognition by fundamentalists about Schiavo's condition.
Maybe you could point me in the direction of an article or something?
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Quote:I don’t know what you’re talking about, and I’m not sure you do either. You and anyone else are welcome to accept my definition if you like. If not, then don’t. I don’t see anyone twisting your arm, so what’s your point?
Originally posted by rue:
Finn, Finn, Finn ....
Do you really expect everyone to just accept your definition ? Are you going to do one of those - I define the English langauge around here and I get to say what words mean ! You know how far that goes, don'cha?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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The point is, you are saying "it's human because I say it is". I don't have a definition, and I'm not willing to explore either what I mean or what anyone else means, and I'm not going to discuss it, I'm just making a decree. If I say it's human, it is, and if I say it isn't, it isn't. Just 'cause I said so. End of discussion.
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Quote:So basically, your problem with me is that I have an opinion. The topic is abortion not what you think about me having an opinion on the topic, which no one gives a shit about. If you have a contribution to the discussion, that's one thing, but all you can do is bitch because I have an opinion you don't agree with, I got better things to do.
Originally posted by rue:
The point is, you are saying "it's human because I say it is". I don't have a definition, and I'm not willing to explore either what I mean or what anyone else means, and I'm not going to discuss it, I'm just making a decree. If I say it's human, it is, and if I say it isn't, it isn't. Just 'cause I said so. End of discussion.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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If you can show me an example of a human fetus becoming something other then human when it is fully developed and complete then you’ve won.-Finn
Yes, I can show you fetuses that become something other than human when fully developed. The fetuses that become fully developed placentas, for example. They ARE "fully developed". They're not about to go any farther. They just didn't develop into a human. So, I win!-Signy
All human fetuses are human- Finn
You reduce it to: A human is human. -Signy
Nope. I’m pretty much okay with defining humans as human. I start getting a little bit of a headache when people starting trying to nitpick the line between human and something not human so that they can justify killing something with a clear conscience.- Finn
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So, what about flushing a placenta down the toilet? I wouldn't get bent out of shape- would you?
Yes????
No????
The problem is, you're confused. Among other things, you use the phrase fully developed and complete tho that's not what you really mean. Do you want me to TELL you what you mean? Because I DO know, even if you don't.
And what about my other two questions:
(1) ..to extend your example of medically necessary abortions being acceptable... does this mean that wars are acceptable only if they save more lives than they kill?
(2)How do you feel about the death penalty?
You seemed to have skated around them. But I haven't forgotten them and they're important because they demonstrate the depth and consistency of your commitment to human life. or lack of.
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