Look, I know it's been overdone - but abortion - yay or nay?
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Like the itle says, I know it's been overdone, but I have just spent the better part of an hour arguing (fruitlessly, I might add) that as far as I'm concerned it's a woman's choice - and no-one has the right to take that away from her.
Any other opinions here? Can anyone suggest how I can convince my friend or shall I just give up?
Thanks.
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The baby screams in the womb as it is ripped into easily removed pieces....Maybe, your friend should talk to you again. There are 28 people on death row for killing pregnant women. If the baby does not count, why are they there? Not to mention the trauma if you survive. I was an aborted fetus that lived...Look what happened to me...I talk to animals...
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i cant say for sure.. i try to follow Jesus when he said in Matthew "do not judge, or you will be judged"; i would try to avoid it myself, but everyone is destined to lead a different life- for better or worse. i feel like ideally, in a perfect world, there would be no abortion, because people would only be intimate and conceive with someone they truly cared for and desired to share a future with. i know thats unrealistic, and even i would have trouble following that kind of command to a T.. but i have to believe it is for our own good. in the end i have no right to judge someone else in that position; although i have to wonder: do you just give in and submit to the world because thats the way it is(no matter how terrible or unjust)? i guess its hard to make a stand for what is right when it is unclear what 'right' is.. which i think is what this debate is really about(whether or not abortion amounts to murder[which is a strong term])
id like to think that if i got someone pregnant, i would be man enough to be responsible for my choices, and that she would be woman enough to own up to her actions, and we would keep the child... but i guess it depends on the circumstances; maybe this isnt the typical scenario of an abortion. i cant blame a girl for wanting to abort a fetus that came about as a result of rape, or molestation or something heinous like that... something that dispicable really casts a shadow of doubt; in that instance i dont know what is right. but i think of my life, and my parents.. who arent together and are far from perfect, but i owe them my existence, and ultimately being given the chance to live is better than no life at all. it makes me think of that saying "two wrongs do not make a right" ... i dont know if thats an oversimplication or not, but thats what im honostly feeling at the moment
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Not sure if your friend is a lost cause. I'd need them to answer at least one more question: should unmarried men and women have access to contraception? If they answer no, then I would write them off as being unwilling to change their mind.
I have found it helpful to not discuss abortion by itself but rather in a framework of reproductive rights. We will not have true equality in this country until every woman can completely decide when or if she will become pregnant. Sex education, access to contraception, the morning after pill and, as a last resort, abortion. All of these (and many other) options should be on the table. Any time we talk about limiting options we move back towards a time when every sexual encounter had a decent probability of resulting in a pregnancy. That's more animal than human.
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Is anyone actually "abortion - yay"?
No.
Be for or against the right/choice to have them, NO ONE is happy when a person feels that they need one.
Just being nitpicky.
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There are many valid reasons to have the choice available. If you think it's wrong, don't have one.
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If you think it's wrong, don't have one.
Why, that's so crazy an idea, it just might work!
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It's not about abortion, for me, it's about choice. I think no matter what personal beliefs people have, people should keep options open, for those who feel differently.
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Okay, well we are treating the life of an unborn human child like a show on cable, which sort of enunciates my whole problem with the issue of the pro-Choice argument. It never seems to take the life of an unborn child seriously. Almost everyone believes that there are conditions under which abortion is necessary; even staunch abortion critics will usually conceded that such conditions exist, but should we necessarily view abortion so cavalierly. Is it really appropriate to use abortion as a form of birth control? And if so, is it then appropriate to draw analogies between an unborn human child and a rat or some other animal that is often exterminated because we don’t want it around? And what does such callous consideration for our unborn offspring say about ourselves?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Is it really appropriate to use abortion as a form of birth control? And if so, is it then appropriate to draw analogies between an unborn human child and a rat or some other animal that is often exterminated because we don’t want it around? And what does such callous consideration for our unborn offspring say about ourselves?
I don't think it's that people do not consider the unborn life as significant. It's more that they assign an equal or greater importance to the effects of pregnancy and birth on the mother who is essentially the host to this unborn life, which comes with pain and discomfort and risks to physical well-being even under the best of circumstances (i.e. a wanted, uncomplicated pregnancy).
Factors like age, health and mental state of the pregnant woman do become important factors in that regard, and as such also the circumstances of conception.
And there's also the right of the general population to interfere with what is for a long period of time a body-internal process. It's a question of how much control other people are allowed to have over an individual's body. People obviously have very differing opinions about that.
If it was only about the body of the unborn, it would be that easy, yes. But it's not. And it's not just a question of responsibility for personal behavior, if you disregard how a pregnancy even came about. Incest, rape and high-risk pregnancies, those are very complex issues.
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