The Buck Stops ... There.
POSTED BY: NewOldBrownCoat
UPDATED: Monday, November 6, 2006 05:06
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Quote:And of course people who don't realise that with a big pay check comes big responcibillity, and that big responcibillity means you have to take responcibillity for the bad as well as the good.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Absolutly Citizen, and any who disagree with ya here must be arsewipe supervisors or CEO's themselves, covering their butts, as usual.
I like to call those people children.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Yer mellowing, dude. I like to call them sociopaths.
Originally posted by citizen:
I like to call those people children.
...or Sociopathic Biped Scum.....yeah, that one I like better.
Cool biped Chrisisall
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I don't know a heck of a lot about the war in Iraq (don't follow news much in general).
However, as a soldier in the Canadian Army my friend asked me once why our mission changed in Afghanistan halfway through. My only response is that the military doesn't decide the big objectives, it's always the politicians that decide the war and the Generals that have to sort it out (no intention of blaming or accusing either side here, most often both sides agree).
My question is: did any Generals speak out against the invasion of Iraq (it was called an invasion before it became the rebuilding; did the rebuilding become necessary because of the invasion?)?
By the same token did any Generals speak out for the invasion of Iraq?
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
What about this war is going right? Did you use Lincoln because both Presidents presided over a Civil War?
What's going right? Well, you might not know it from the news, which is so one-sided, it's pathetic. I've talked with and heard from soliders who have served/are serving there -- and the vast majority of them wonder what planet it is that the bulk of the news organizations are reporting about over here -- because it certainly isn't the Iraq they're seeing firsthand.
Why I did I compare Bush to Lincoln? I thought that would've been obvious from the text of my previous post. Both were horribly criticized by the bulk of their own people for running an unpopular war. If you go back and see what they were saying about Lincoln (even people in his own cabinet), what they're saying about Bush pales in comparison.
Likewise, Lincoln bore the rude insults of the electorate to free a people who couldn't speak for, nor free themselves. I'm sure there were a lot of slaves (and subsequently, their descendents) who've thanked God that Lincoln didn't listen to his critics, and finished the job (even at the cost of his own life).
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Quote:Funny, because all my work collegues who have come back from Iraq have something quite different to say. Although if I go over and have something different to say to what Cartoon wants to hear, he'll ignore that too.
Originally posted by cartoon:
What's going right? Well, you might not know it from the news, which is so one-sided, it's pathetic. I've talked with and heard soliders who have served/are serving there -- and the vast majority of them wonder what planet the bulk of the news organizations are reporting about over here -- because it's certainly isn't the Iraq they're seeing over there, firsthand.
Though I have heard things are going quite well in the American walled enclaves and forts, PX's full of Hershy bars, the latest DVDs, and none of those blasted Iraqis getting in the way.
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Many many Generals resigned so that they could speak out about Iraq. It is not the Generals faults at all that we have this mess on our hands. Bush and Rumsfeld ignore any advice that is counter to what is either their ideology, or their agenda.
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And Cartoon - I didn't ask you to tell me things were going right...I asked you to tell me WHAT was going right...
but I guess that's a little harder to do.
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Originally posted by TPage:
My question is: did any Generals speak out against the invasion of Iraq (it was called an invasion before it became the rebuilding; did the rebuilding become necessary because of the invasion?)?
It is frequently reported that General Shinseki ( think I spelled that right, and I forget his first name.) told Rumsfeld he would need 450,000 troops to pacify Iraq and Rumsfeld said he could only have 150,000. Shinseki was quickly retired. The rest of the Generals got the message: agree with the boss or your career is over.
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by TPage:
My question is: did any Generals speak out against the invasion of Iraq (it was called an invasion before it became the rebuilding; did the rebuilding become necessary because of the invasion?)?
It is frequently reported that General Shinseki ( think I spelled that right, and I forget his first name.) told Rumsfeld he would need 450,000 troops to pacify Iraq and Rumsfeld said he could only have 150,000. Shinseki was quickly retired. The rest of the Generals got the message: agree with the boss or your career is over.
DING DING DING ...and We have a winner! Thanx NOBC... EDIT: and R9
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yer mellowing, dude. I like to call them sociopaths.
...or Sociopathic Biped Scum.....yeah, that one I like better.
Cool biped Chrisisall
This isn't especially pertinent, but good and depressing...
I'm studying rates of psychopathy and sociopathy right now - somewhere around 70% of the US population shows marked signs of sociopathy.
I suppose at that rate it's no wonder that the people in charge (at all levels) have no social conscience...
Don't make faces.
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