Is the best season of Angel better than the best season of Buffy?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 16:04
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:You'd really say that, like, Angel season 5 is not better than Buffy season 4, for instance?
Originally posted by RugBug:
Well, I think the best season of Angel is only slightly better than the worst season of Buffy. From that you can probably guess my answer to the original question.
Clarifying Chrisisall
Well, yeah. Buffy has always been my favorite. I only bought/watched Angel because there was no more Buffy to watch. I ALWAYS go to watch Buffy first. When that's completed, only then will I turn to Angel.
Now, on merits alone, I think S#5 of Angel was better than S#7 of Buffy. But, IMO, for entertainment purposes any season of Buffy is better than any season of Angel. I just like Buffy better...even crappy Buffy.
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Quote:Objectivly, I agree. But NOTHING from Angel gives me the rush I get from the final ep of Buffy, NOTHING.
Originally posted by RugBug:
Now, on merits alone, I think S#5 of Angel was better than S#7 of Buffy.
Chosen Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Objectivly, I agree. But NOTHING from Angel gives me the rush I get from the final ep of Buffy, NOTHING.
Chosen Chrisisall
You liked the final episode of Buffy over the final episode of Angel? Buffy's ending didn't really work for me. They sort of copped out on the whole season long fight with the first. I mean some glowy amulet takes care of it all? Weak. The newbie slayers taking out the uber vamps like they were made of cardboard? Come on a single one kicked buffy's ass repeatedly. These kids were brand new slayers with just a few months of training. Buffy had years and could barely take one of those guys before the finale.
In Angel it was exactly what I would expect. A reasonable fight with some bad dudes. Everyone's last day was a good commentary on who they were. The final battle still didn't win anything for them. They just keep fighting. That's perfect for the show IMO. A much more fitting end to me at least.
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Quote:Uhhh, ahem! A glowey amulet that focused the pure soul of the self-sacrificing HERO!
Originally posted by Zeek:
I mean some glowy amulet takes care of it all?
Okay, I just like the fictional ending of a fictional story to be a bit less bleak, if you don't mind. If I want bleak...World here...
Good thing is, they gave it to us both ways, so we could choose A or B, or switch off on both (Which I do).
It's all good Chrisisall
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Regarding the series finales, I think both oculd have been longer. Both deserved two hours at least.
In some ways I liked Buffy's finale better; it was more exciting, and you got to see the action that the show was known for. But I think Angel's finale did a better job of tying things together. The idea of everyone living that day as if it were their last was a perfect way to end things, I think. And who can resist Spike going to a poetry slam? 
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, I just like the fictional ending of a fictional story to be a bit less bleak, if you don't mind. If I want bleak...World here...
I think Angel's finale was supposed to be bleak. Life in L.A. was not all sunshine and roses (not that it really was in Sunnydale either). And I liked that the final battle wasn't shown. Buffy always wins against the bad guys, which in some ways is a little unrealistic. Angel on the other hand knows he can never really triumph over evil, but he still fights the good fight. I like fiction, but realism is nice too.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Uhhh, ahem! A glowey amulet that focused the pure soul of the self-sacrificing HERO!
Originally posted by Zeek:
I mean some glowy amulet takes care of it all?
Okay, I just like the fictional ending of a fictional story to be a bit less bleak, if you don't mind. If I want bleak...World here...
Good thing is, they gave it to us both ways, so we could choose A or B, or switch off on both (Which I do).
Obviously there are preferences when it comes to tone, but I think anyone can see that the finales succeeded to different degrees on a pure story level. Angel's finale was bleak, yes, but it was
well constructed. Buffy's finale was more uplifting and action-packed, but the construction of the story doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Regarding the series finales, I think both oculd have been longer. Both deserved two hours at least.
Well given that Power Play runs straight into Not Fade Away, you could say Angel's finale was two hours. And if I recall correctly (haven't seen it for ages) End of Days and Chosen run together too. Just because the titles don't have Part 1 and Part 2 tagged on doesn't mean it's not a two parter ;)
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Quote:Yep, and both achieved what they set out to do.
Originally posted by Grounded:
Well given that Power Play runs straight into Not Fade Away, you could say Angel's finale was two hours. And if I recall correctly (haven't seen it for ages) End of Days and Chosen run together too. Just because the titles don't have Part 1 and Part 2 tagged on doesn't mean it's not a two parter ;)
I like 'em both, just Buffy more Chrisisall
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I like 'em both, just Buffy more Chrisisall
My thoughts exactly.
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I typed out this whole response and it disappeared into the black, so...
Short version is, I can't be happy with Not Fade Away. Yes, it's more realistic. But dammit, I want closure. Chosen gave us that. It also gave more 'after the series' possibilities with all the moral implications of turning all the potentials into slayers (of which Angel devoted an episode to, but there is so much more that could be mined). Not Fade Away didn't do that. Your options are 1) Everyone's dead 2) It's business as usual. Both choices are unfulfilling, IMO.
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Quote:Just one of the reasons I like Chosen better than Not Fade Away.
Originally posted by RugBug:
dammit, I want closure.
The others being Robert Duncan's magnifigant score, Spike's ultimate (at the time) sacrifice, and Buffy's smile in the last shot.
And Joss directed it Chrisisall
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