Jaynestown

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MRSU

Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:21 PM

According to the script of Jaynestown, Jayne WAS covering for Simon at that moment.
And why not? It wouldn't cost him anything one way or another. And, much more importantly, Mal and Kaylee stood right next to him. They wouldn't take it kindly if Jayne betrayed Simon in front of their very eyes. Jayne would have realized that, so he picked a choice more convenient for him.

We could contrast it with how Simon was covering for Jayne couple of minutes ago, at a risk to his own life and with no one watching him. And Simon not liking Jayne either. It's just a code of conduct if you're on the same team which everyone in the 'Verse knew. Jayne knew it too, he didn't always followed it but he knew that folks wouldn't look kindly on somebody's breaking it, so he didn't break it in front of Mal.

HUGHFF

Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:35 PM

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Chicken and egg. Would Jayne have sold out River if she hadn't slashed him? Would she have cut him up if she hadn't known he was about to turn her in?

She cut his shirt, and the Blue Sun logo on it. He just happened to be under the sirt, so he got a little stabbed. She wasn't going after Jayne, she was going after Blue Sun (He looks better in red).

You reckon? I don't.

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PHOENIXROSE

Friday, October 27, 2006 6:44 AM

I don't just reckon, it's in the transcripts, and I've heard the same impression from many people, not to mention how often River and Blue Sun is talked about by Joss, the implication being that they were involved in what was done to her and she hated them. There were also a few things said about their food being laced with drugs, and how they were supposed to be heavily involved in the Miranda scandal but Joss couldn't work it into the movie and have it make sense.
Slashing Jayne wasn't the only thing that happened, either. River also freaked out at the cans and crackers stamped with the Blue Sun logo. Joss was trying to give the subtle impression that River really hated Blue Sun so that the conspiracy storyline could unfold. We never got to see it, though. At least, not at all in full.

We will not go quietly into the night
We will not give in without a Big Damn Fight
We are Browncoats, and we know we are right
We will rage, rage against the dying of our engine light!

PURPLEBELLY

Friday, October 27, 2006 7:35 AM

Returning to Jaynestown. Let's not forget that this was a scipt produced fairly quickly in response to the Network's initial rejection of Shindig and Safe, demanding a more light-hearted show. Edlund appears to have reached for another incarnation of his Tick/Moth-Boy super-duo (from the costume evidence), and so the Jayne/Simon relationship on the page may have been influenced by that but ameliorated by actors and others at production and post-production stages.
As usual, we're on thin ice with such a small amount of source material, especially with a character that appears to have moved considerably from the original conception; I know I'm almost alone in not liking what Baldwin does with this role.

RAINSTICK

Friday, October 27, 2006 9:11 AM

maybe Jayne behaves more honorably or selflessly in the situation because he is in a very "hero-type" mood at that moment. he has just held the first half of his speech in front of his adoring masses and in the shadow of his own statue. so maybe he feels he has to play up to his reputation.
on a side note: the few words Jayne says after killing Stitch are about the most emotional moment in the whole series. Jayne drops his heroic facade and shows what he really is: "There's no people like that, there's just people like me."
that's the most self-reflective Jayne will ever get because the death of this one mudder boy really affects him.

MRSU

Friday, October 27, 2006 2:33 PM

About River slashing Jayne - there was some interview with Joss (or a convention transcript) where he was asked, who/waht River slashed - Jayne or Blue Sun logo?
He said - both.

And the average viewer, not a fan sitting on fan forums, is supposed to pick up the more obvious meaning first - Jayne was getting on River's nerves by picking on Simon, and she couldn't control her reactions. Blue Sun is the additional motive which can be picked up by an extra attentive viewer as a bonus. Most people who just watch the show and don't discuss it online with other fans never pick that other meaning, and are fine with the first one.

But I agree with Joss - it's both. She wouldn't have slashed him if he was just sitting there in a Blue Sun shirt with his mouth shut (she saw him in this shirt before, after all). And she wouldn't have slashed him if he was in some other shirt but still being an ***hole. She would maybe make a less dramatic gesture in that case. Blue Sun was like a trigger.

And coming back to Jaynestown, again: I still can't see how Jayne could have given up Simon to Stitch in front of Mal and be able to get away with that, or could've not realize that he won't be able to get away with that.

ROCKYSOAP

Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:59 AM

It was strange to me to read this, because that scene always made so much sense to me. First of all, let me ask this: is this an "official" script, or just someone transcribing the show? I never saw it as Jayne covering for him, or being kind or noble at all. He was just being blunt. His disowned Simon because he disowns Simon. Jayne was showing contempt for both Stitch and Simon in one go.

If this was indeed official and Jayne was covering for Simon, that changes things, but I guess it still kind of makes sense to me. Jayne is in a very strange position in this episode, and it brings out a different side of him. He's more human. He realizes he is capable of having an impact on people. This could create a strong (though shortlived) sense of right and wrong, and a desire to do good instead of just being selfish.

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:26 AM

Jayne is a bit of an enigma isn't he. It never felt to me that Jayne was covering for Simon in that scene, just that he was being honest as Simon wasn't one of his boys. Also it seems to me that Jayne felt that what was going on was between Stitch and himself and had nothing to do with Simon. While Jayne isn't the typical "hero" I don't think he would make someone else pay for something he had done. He does have some strange sense of honor although it is a bit fluid at times.

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TRAVELER

Wednesday, November 1, 2006 2:26 AM

You sure got that right Whimsicalnbrainpan.

I'm sure it would have taken a lot more episodes to get a hold on Jayne. In the first episode he was going to kill that agent for shooting Kaylee. Then he wants to trade his most precious rifle, Vera, for Safron. My impression is he will support the crew of Serenity. Not because of some ethical code. He did shot one of his own in "Out of Gas" and he pushed Stitch, his partner, out of the transport. But Mal has proved himself to Jayne. He must be living a lot better on Serenity than anywhere else he's been. So he his loyalty appears to be based Mal's ability to earn a good profit. At the time of "Jaynestown" he does not consider Simon and River part of the crew. As he shows latter when he sells them out on Ariel.

I feel he sees something more than profit being with Mal. But he is not sure himself what it is. Loyalty without a cash reward is new to him and he is still awkward with it.

Taking on Niska to save Mal is a big leap for Jayne. Is he finally learning to be part of a team? In "Out of Gas" he preps a spacesuit for Mal without being asked. He actually takes initiative to do something good. Did that wrench to his skull in "Ariel" make him realise what Mal means by being part of the "crew"?

I wish I had the answers. But that is why I like Jayne. You had wonder what his reaction will be in each episode. Oh, how I wish there were more episodes to see.

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TRUNEVAR

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:02 AM

I just finished a JaynesTown music video-

http://jaynestown.angelfire.com

Have a look if you get the chance and let me know what you think. I hope I did the episode justice. :-)

"Why am I fighting to live, if I'm just living to fight"

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