I will not wear Firefly as if it were a Nike symbol on my chest.

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 22:15
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SIMONWHO

Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:59 PM

Is this the right thread to publicise my new range of t-shirts...

11THHOUR

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by yinyang:
Having said all that (not too well), I think the actions brought against 11th hour were extreme. They weren't entirely unwarranted, but I feel that it should have been a little less abrupt and harsh. Certainly I think they should allow her to keep the guerilla marketing posters up, and (from what I've seen) all of her Cafe Press. And, really, there's only the one banner with the ship and all the faces that people should find questionable, anyway (in my opinion).

The banner in question was the winner in a web banner contest conducted by M80, a company enlisted by 20th Century Fox, to work with the fans to guerilla market the Firefly DVDs.

This is the banner I designed.
This is the banner which won the contest.
All fans were encouraged, officially, to use it to promote Firefly.

Of all fan made banners, this one is probably the one with the most official blessing.

The only thing that has changed since the original design is that some versions of the banner now promote purchasing Firefly on iTunes.

11th Hour

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"Because teenage pranks are fun when you're about to die!" - Hoban Washburne

Firefly/Serenity Guerilla Marketing Posters ~ http://the11thhour.home.att.net
Cafe Press Shop ~ http://www.cafepress.com/11thhourart

Spread the word today ~ Give the gift of Firefly: http://www.apple.com/itunes

SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:

If you are implying they are not worth watching, I won't enter that debate with you.

How did you get this from what I wrote?

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Originally posted by ecgordon:

If instead you are infering I should watch them in another way, such as downloading or streaming video, I again will not argue my case, but just say that I'd rather not tie up computer time that way.

1) I wasn't inferring anything.

2) I was implying what I do and in NO way saying anything about what you should do.

3) Please do not put words in my mouth.

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SERYN

Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:03 PM

Just out of interest, what did you mean?

Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway?I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
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KANEMAN

Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:47 PM

Hell's kitten,
"I think if you removed all of Kaneman's bullshit insults, he's pretty much right"

That is true of all my posts, but most can't look past the words and see the meaning. And I couldn't care less, because I know I usually speak the truth...Well, it's true

ECGORDON

Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:

If you are implying they are not worth watching, I won't enter that debate with you.

How did you get this from what I wrote?

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:

If instead you are infering I should watch them in another way, such as downloading or streaming video, I again will not argue my case, but just say that I'd rather not tie up computer time that way.

1) I wasn't inferring anything.

2) I was implying what I do and in NO way saying anything about what you should do.

3) Please do not put words in my mouth.

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Originally posted by seryn:
Just out of interest, what did you mean?

That's my question too. Your post was so short and didn't really say anything, am I wrong to try to figure out what you did mean?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

YINYANG

Monday, October 30, 2006 12:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
The banner in question was the winner in a web banner contest conducted by M80, a company enlisted by 20th Century Fox, to work with the fans to guerilla market the Firefly DVDs.

This is the banner I designed.
This is the banner which won the contest.
All fans were encouraged, officially, to use it to promote Firefly.

Of all fan made banners, this one is probably the one with the most official blessing.

The only thing that has changed since the original design is that some versions of the banner now promote purchasing Firefly on iTunes.

11th Hour

Thanks for clearing that up.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, October 30, 2006 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Hell's kitten,
"I think if you removed all of Kaneman's bullshit insults, he's pretty much right"

That is true of all my posts, but most can't look past the words and see the meaning.

I've noticed.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, October 30, 2006 2:35 AM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Is this the right thread to publicise my new range of t-shirts...

...I would SO buy that...
*snikker*

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 30, 2006 3:19 AM

HELLSKITTEN: That's what I am. I am extreme. I am extreme because others are complacient and are perfectly fine with letting the real issues slide while they have their professional sports and iPods and MTV and Desperate Housewives to numb them from the pain of knowing deep down within themselves that they truly are not free people, no matter how many times they've been told the contrary. There is a war against all of us now... our freedoms, our ability to enjoy life, little by little, is escaping our grasp every day. It's covert and stealthy. It's behind the scenes. It pretends to be our friend. It pretends to be looking out for us and our security and well being, while at the same time turning us into robots who are encouraged to rat each other out at every turn and live with cameras on every corner, watching our every move. The copyrights are just another branch of the larger picture. The ability of the powers that be to use the legal system, fear and technology to micro-manage every aspect of our lives. I realize that I'm not the life of the party when I talk like this... when I speak these truths. People don't want to hear the truth. People want to hear that everything is going to be okay.

I'm not saying that laws should be selectively applied based on anything. I'm saying that when copyrights (which were a legitimate concern when concieved) were first created, they offered the inventor/artist the ability to profit off of their creation for a limited amount of time before the copyrights ran out and the work became public domain for somebody else to improve upon. As 11th hour said, the banner in question was one that they had created for a contest and were encouraged officially by FOX to use in any way to promote the show/movie. Enter iTunes and Universal, who no doubt have legal rights to Firefly logos now, and they attack 11th hour for doing what FOX itself officially condoned. And I'm sure, legally, FOX can't even do a damn thing about protecting 11th hour.

The arguement that the right hand of Universal doesn't know what the left hand is doing is really a non issue here and is purely speculation. Even if this were true, it does not give them a free pass to activley try to destroy somebody's business or life. Anyone under the Universal banner is a part of Univeral therefore Universal must answer for what they are doing.

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Copying other people's artwork or basing your own artwork on theirs (derivative) doesn't make you more creative, and having creator protection doesn't inherently limit the creative potential of others; if it does, then those others really aren't all that creative, now are they? (And I should note: I am by no means saying 11th Hour's art is uncreative derivative work.)

I sorry girl, but you completely contradict yourself in this paragraph. You don't save face at all after saying that creativity based off of other creativity is not creative and then putting a little aside saying that 11th hours work, though it is creativity based off of other creativity is creative. To say that creativity is limited to thoughts which one comes up with all on their own is to say that we no longer have the ability to be creatvie at all. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have an original thought in your head, nor do I, nor does anybody on this thread, or anybody you see on TV, or anybody in the world. Our thoughts and opinions are derived from the world around us as we percieve it. Are there degrees to which our creativity leans more towards ourselves and our souls on one extreme or to getting dangerously close to being blatant plageurism on the other? Of course there is. As in all things, nothing is black and white.

Take, for example, this work by Andy Warhol:

This was considered to be brilliant art representing the Pop Art movement (Created in 1964 or 1968 depending upon which source you're reading). Would this fly today? Absoultley no

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