Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's Disease

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UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:39
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YINYANG

Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:44 AM

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Thanks, Rue. As always, your ability to track down online information that adds to the discussion is greatly appreciated (at least by me).

Hey, I appreciate it, too!

You may all continue with your discussion now...

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MURPH

Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:58 AM

Ya know... I'm pretty conservative myself... on alot of things, but Limbaugh just proved himself to be a world class dip-stick.
Michael J. Fox, like all of us, diserves the right to stand for any cause he feels is right... as do the rest of us... without comment from the out of touch Limbaugh types.

All we are, is dust in the wind...dude.

CITIZEN

Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 AM

This is all very interesting, I feel I'm getting a little more insight into how American politics works.

Over here debates in the house of commons go a little like this:
"May I remind the right honourable gentleman that taxes have increased 5% during his government"

Where as in America it seems they go (and are expected to go) a little more like this:
"Well my opponent is a liar and a fraud and possibly a poo poo head and smells bad. You can't trust him because he hates puppies."

No wonder you guys elected George Bush and some people still think that was actually a good idea

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

RAZZA

Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:51 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Razza,

Perhaps you didn't read Fox's quote. Or you read it and didn't understand it. It says:

"I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease, and the urgency we as a community were feeling, be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling."

Precisely! He admits that he deliberately did not take his medication in order to create a dramatic effect. Why is a heinous act to speculate that he may have done so again in the recent ads? It seems to me it is a pretty logical possibility, though not the case in this instance.

I appreciate your research too!

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FELLOWTRAVELER

Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

Where as in America it seems they go (and are expected to go) a little more like this:
"Well my opponent is a liar and a fraud and possibly a poo poo head and smells bad. You can't trust him because he hates puppies."

Now, your on the trolly...

And what most people on this side of the pond don't realize is that this is done with intent. The purpose is to turn voters off to politics and keep the turnout as low as possible, to prevent any meaningful change. It is manufactured apathy.

Sadly, this is extremely effective. Off year election turnout is generally between 30% to 40% and after unprecendented "get out the vote" efforts in the last Presidential election, we came in with a paltry 60%. No sh*t, more people over here vote for American Idol than they do for President.

But, on to Limbaugh for a moment. Let's not forget that the guy is just an entertainer and he is very good at what he does. His mocking of Fox has gotten him a ton of free press. The man is an evil (that's right, I said evil) genius.

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:55 PM

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Precisely! He admits that he deliberately did not take his medication in order to create a dramatic effect. Why is a heinous act to speculate that he may have done so again in the recent ads? It seems to me it is a pretty logical possibility, though not the case in this instance.

Razza- you keep saying that Rush didn't "mock" MJ Fox. But he DID accuse him of faking his disease or going off his meds. Parkinsons's is an extremely difficult disease to control when you're at MJ Fox's stage of the disease. So let me inject a little REAL LIFE INFORMATION- Please read this carefully (emphasis mine):

Within four to six years (PLEASE NOTE: MJ FOX is very definitley in this phase as he has been taking meds longer than six years) of treatment with levodopa, the effects of the drug in many patients begin to last for shorter periods of time (called the wearing-off effect ) and the following pattern may occur:

* Patients may first notice slowness ( bradykinesia) or tremor in the morning before the next dose is due.

* Less commonly, some experience painful dystonia, muscle spasms that can cause sustained contortions of various parts of the body, particularly the neck, jaw, trunk, and eyes and possibly the feet.

* Patients must increase the frequency of levodopa doses. This puts them at risk for dyskinesia (the inability to control muscles), which usually occurs when the drug level peaks. Dyskinesia can take many forms, most often uncontrolled flailing of the arms and legs or chorea, rapid and repetitive motions that can affect the limbs, face, tongue, mouth, and neck. Dyskinesia is not painful, but it is very distressing.

* In some people, eventually L-dopa is effective only for one to two hours and most patients start to experience motor fluctuations. In about 15% to 20% of patients such fluctuations become extreme, a phenomenon known as the on-off effect , which consists of unpredictable, alternating periods of dyskinesia and immobility. Sometimes the symptoms switch back in forth within minutes or even seconds. (The transition may follow such symptoms as intense anxiety, sweating, and rapid heartbeats.)
www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_levadopa_l-dopa_000051_7.htm

Here's another fun fact about anti-Parkinson's meds: The main med commonly causes complex and quite believable visual hallucinations, nausea and diarrhea, and heart arrhythmias.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:09 PM

Razza- if you allow Rush to call MJ Fox a faker and question whether he has a disease (which he clearly does) then we can attack you lying about your uncle in order to further your right-wing talking points. You don't like ad hominem attacks against yourself? Then don't support it in other people.

BTW- as far as your supposed uncle with Parkinson's is concerned... assuming that I even believe you... you were a busy little kid most likely. Your uncle was prolly under-treated with meds. He most likely got slower, and quieter, and therefore invisble to a little kid who had concerns and activities of his own. The final Parkisnon's state is becoming a victim of something like "locked-in syndrome" in which he was fully aware and awake, but not able to voluntarily move any muscles: unable to talk, to scratch an itchy nose, or shift to a more comfortable position. Even before you get to that state you will most likely breathe in food and die of pnuemonia. You might want to ask his surviving family about what happened.

Razza- Just another right wing tool.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:24 PM

I just saw the Rush visuals Razza, if you didn't see that Rush was CLEARLY imitating MJ Fox... I mean, it's just out and out obvious... then why should we believe ANTHING you have to say? You're obviously so blinded by your own ideology you can't even see what's right in front of your face. And any statement you make will be answered by "Well, you're either faking it or lying".

Soup- Thanks for the link. BTW- thanks for the transcript. I don't have audio on either of my PCs so many of the links don't work for me.

Rue- it appears as if the ONE part of MJ Fox's statement that people were questioning... about amking stem cell reserach illegal- is absolutely correct. Great bird-dogging!

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by Razza:
While I usually lurk, I felt like entering the discussion for a change, but if this is the reaction I can count on in the future, I'm not sure it is worth the effort. Was that your intention?

Not in my original post, but now I'd say yes; you use words well but you're not very smart, and demonstrating it as you have been is damaging my calm.
My advice is stay on the entertainment side of things-
or just go listen to Rush some more.

Chrisisall

RAZZA

Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Razza- if you allow Rush to call MJ Fox a faker and question whether he has a disease (which he clearly does) then we can attack you lying about your uncle in order to further your right-wing talking points. You don't like ad hominem attacks against yourself? Then don't support it in other people.

BTW- as far as your supposed uncle with Parkinson's is concerned... assuming that I even believe you... you were a busy little kid most likely. Your uncle was prolly under-treated with meds. He most likely got slower, and quieter, and therefore invisble to a little kid who had concerns and activities of his own. The final Parkisnon's state is becoming a victim of something like "locked-in syndrome" in which he was fully aware and awake, but not able to voluntarily move any muscles: unable to talk, to scratch an itchy nose, or shift to a more comfortable position. Even before you get to that state you will most likely breathe in food and die of pnuemonia. You might want to ask his surviving family about what happened.

Razza- Just another right wing tool.

Sygnm:

Again, I haven't attacked anyone ad hominem, I leave that to you and Rue. For people who seems to think it's such an abhorrent technique you sure have trouble refraining from doing it yourself. As I told Rue, if attacking me makes you happy, then by all means please continue to do so. I don't do it, and never will. It isn't a very good tool for convincing people to your point of view. All it does is divide people and force them to take an opposing view in repulsion of your arguement.

But then, I'm just a lying right wing tool who makes up sick relatives to get my rocks off. What do I know?

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"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon."

---Napoleon Bonaparte

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