I will not wear Firefly as if it were a Nike symbol on my chest.
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 22:15
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The people that are stopping the sales of other Firefly stuff are not even the same as the ones who have anything to do with the BDM. They are doing there job, they have the right. I think it is extreme to say it is "just a tv show" now personally I don't care what they do to our verse but if there is gear to by or other merchandise I will buy it Universal or not... It shouldn't be this easy to tick off hardcore fans like us browncoats.... we shouldn't go crazy just because of some messed up legal rights in our "free" country... Just keep flying people do what must be done, it's firefly bad company or not, it shouldn't matter.
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...double post
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It's all Universal and there's no problem with IP rights, the cease and desist orders we've seen are entirely understandable when a licence has been sold to another company but this case isn't just a cease and desist, it's a 3 day ultimatum to pay retrospective licence fees, surrender existing stocks and supply amongst other things sales details for earlier sales. Now - once again I'm saying that assuming this isn't a scam - that is unacceptable to me, it may be that they are operating legally but so am I when, as a consumer, I tell them to stick their products where the sun don't shine.
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Thinking about the sales details demand - do they expect names, addresses, ACCOUNT DETAILS - if so that sounds more and more like a scam. 11th if you've confirmed that the originators are actually representing Universal can you let us know please.
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Might put myself on the chopping block here, but I do want to speak my peace.
If Universal is now starting to crack down on fan-made things, maybe it's because they're planning something similar. I remember when Microsoft shut down this Halo RTS conversion and then a spell later, an official game was announced.
What ever happened to supporting those who could make a sequel/series happen? Isn't that why we all rushed out and bought official stuff in the first place? Let the bigwigs know we care enough about Firefly to buy their stuff, show them that the franchise isn't dead. That it is still profitable.
If we all run underground and make our own stuff, sure it's cool and sneaky and chic, but who, outside of the fan base will notice? Perhaps I have too much community theater politics inside of me here, but I think we need to keep putting ourselves out there to the ones with the serious coin.
Is it just a TV show? Hell no. It's magic.
Are they just pieces of fabric with things on them? Yes, they are.
And please, don't tell me I'm not any more of a Browncoat cause I won't stop wearing/buying official merch. You don't know my love for Firefly.
As Tom Hagen once said:
"It's business, not personal. It's business, and you're taking it personally."
Oh, and yes, I had a few designs taken down on cafepress before for Star Wars things, so I've been through this before. 
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The really suspicious thing here is the demand for cash, stock and sales details - I don't remember that happening in conjuction with previous C&D orders.
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I know absolutely nothing about the recent happening that you are talking about, but I did want to make a brief comment on my view on unnoficial products etc....and i guess I might have to expect some flaming too...
I personally wouldnt buy any of these unnocifical fan products because they are in breach of copyright. I see the attraction, and I appreciate the skill, creativity etc in the original designs (although Ive seen a lot that were using specific logos etc from the movie) but to me its similar to pirated movies and music - I refuse to even watch them, never mind downloading them. I think what's happening is a risk people took when they first started going down the road of selling fan products. I'm just a stickler for the rules I guess......
Im sorry if browncoats are having trouble over this though.....
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"Copyrights done any other way, particularly at the hands of large studios or government entities with unlimited funds and legal resources will eventually lead to the end of creativity among the poor and middle class"
That is the dumbest fu*king thing I have ever read. Why would poor and middle class people not be able to create lyrics, art, scripts, songs, dance, or whatever. How does stealing someone Else's shit make you more creative? How does not allowing anyone to steal other peoples shit end creativity among the poor and middle class? I would think that if people couldn't steal ideas from others it would make them more creative, because they would be forced to come up with their own ideas...You are an idiot, oh and most likely an asshole........Well, it's true....Oh, that was a very lame attempt at class warfare. Do us all a favor and spend your time here posting on threads like "who was the last one to post" or other mindless crap...love always Kaneman
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"and they'd leave all but the most blatant thieves alone."
Hey idiot #2, they do.........Well,it's true...
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Hello Chrismoorhead. Perhaps I was a bit too quick to leave. I know that I get very heated up when I read of such corporate oppression. It's a lot more personal this time though, considering this was not a simple cease and desist letter, but an all out lawsuit which could ruin the defendant's life.
You may very well be labeled as an extremist by a lot of people for having the point of views you do today, but that's only because we live in a country now that has no such need for intelligent people who can take care of themselves and survive off the grid. Here's hoping that we never actually have to utilize our skills in the case of an emergency that leaves the populace without the ability to acquire food or water from their local grocier (like the Spinach scare earlier this year). If such a day were to come, we would be leaders. I'm saving up for a shelter now. I figure if it ever gets bad, I'll have a place up north that I could go to out in the wilderness with everything I need to survive a few years and all the stuff I would need to make the place one that could sustain life for as long as necessary. I'm trying to get a few other people in on it with me. It's a lot easier to protect your investment and hard work when you have people you can trust who are as invested in it as you are.
BROWNCOAT1: Sorry I didn't mention what exactly it was that Universal did. By now I'm sure you know. It was floating around in a few other threads the day I started this thread, so I suppose I just figured that everyone pretty much already knew. I have a problem with the simple c&d letters FOX has been giving out to companies when there is no alternative merchandise to purchase in the first place, but Universal is starting a war by trying to ruin the lives of the people at 11th hour. They want almost $9,000.00 in retroactive licensing fees, the entire last year's worth of sales reciepts and the $150,000.00 per infringement (the one you get warned about at the beginning of the DVDs). Bad show from a company that has been whoring us out to sell their merchandise only to turn on us like this.
MRBEN: I know you just gave them a big damn thank you. This is what makes Universal's actions all the more perplexing. As for the BDM itself, it's still up for debate wheather or not it was any good in the first place. Some would say it's better than nothing, while others would say that some damage done to the story of Firefly was not worth the BDM being made in the first place. I think it's great that you feel that your money is better spent on licensed stuff. I cannot argue any point you make about Universal collecting on this and using that to consider wheather they're going to make BDM2. It could also be said that they've obviously noticed the fan made stuff as well, or they wouldn't be such bastards about it. Maybe there will be a sequel. I'm hoping the show comes back on. The movie, for me, was a disappointment.
SHINYHAPPYKLIN: I hope your business isn't targeted, or if it is, it isn't smashed with an iron gauntlet like 11th hour and you can just kinda fade from existance like Blue Sun shirts will. I feel honored that you find anything I have to say as quotable and you have my permission to quote me on anything regarding this copyright situation. I'd be interested in knowing more about your project.
TPAGE: It seems that many of us in here who love the show fail to realize that its greatness lies in the fact that beneath the shiny special effects and great acting are the real parallels Firefly's 'verse shares with life as we know it today on Earth.
Mal had an advantage on the show that we common folk here don't. Mal didn't have the all seeing eye watching him all the time. Given centuries, the Alliance would have most likely conquered and monitored the entire 'verse, but at the time of our BDH's, the Alliance was relatively young and was just spreading its wings. Mal didn't have to worry about copyright laws was because if he wanted to, he could avoid the corruption of the government almost all o
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