Either we are safer, or we are not

POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Thursday, October 19, 2006 06:20
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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 6, 2004 7:50 PM

What the hell are you talking about? Are you just trying to miss the point? Is this just a blatant attempt at willful ignorance?

SUCCATASH

Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:46 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Are we safer? Only time will truly tell. But I have misgivings about an Administration that on the one hand says we are safer, and on the other hand issues new warnings every week.

My clock on a new attack (16.5 months to go) is still running.

Rue, are you safer?

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
I believe that everyone I know is at more risk of becoming unemployed, losing health insurance, their home or - Universe Forbid - losing their child in smirky ass bastard's oil war than they are of any terrorist attack.
Assuming any of this is true (and much of it is not), how does that make warning the American people about potential terrorist movements any less important?

My problem with this is "potential terrorist movements"

There might be a potential terrorist attack ( or attempt) on an American ( or Allied) facility ( or base), here in the USA ( or somewhere around the world) tomorrow ( or some time soon.)

They usedta raise the alert color and give warnings like THAT.

And the sun might potentially rise in the East tomorrow, or maybe someday soon. or not.

How 'bout a credible, specific threat coming soon?

Even a " terrorists tried to sneak liquid explosives onto airplanes and blow them up, SO they might try again" warning, though not indicating much prediction, made some sense...

SO how about a warning about a real as opposed to potential terrorist attack before one actually happens, or busting up a specific plot in the final stages of preparation, as opposed to catching someone potentially getting ready to begin surveilance to strike somewhere someday?

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:16 PM

2 more points

1. What brought this thread from 2004 back to life again? musta been in cryogenic suspension in a big glass box.

2. I looked up the terrorist attack that the gov't stopped , referenced above, followed the suggested link. They caught the guy, an American, in 2002, in Tennessee. A great victory in the War Against Terror, the one we're fighting against al-Queda, in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2006.

ANTIMASON

Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:31 PM

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Originally posted by Winterfell:
IMHO the warnings are a bullshit system to keep the cows in fear and let certain folks in this country compensate for their feelings of inadequacy in protecting their families from an IDEA. Because that is what terrorism is at the root. An Idea.. and you can't really fight an idea.. at least not with a rainbow colored alert system that no one I know in the United States neither understands nor really pays any attention to. The War Against Terror (herefore after referred to as T.W.A.T) is just like the war on drugs.. you can't win it. As long as the idea survives, people will use it.

especially when the idea is that America is the great Satan seeking to take control over the middle east; in which case a ground invasion and military occupation plays directly into their hands. and then we've been sold on this goal to liberate Iraq through democracy.. when everyone knows that democracy is mob rule, which is what has allowed the central banks to enslave Americans and use us as pawns to establish a global government. we need to recognize that the threat comes from the authorities and the establishment, and not the people on the streets

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As long as people are talking about terrorism, and as long as the media is giving more and more light to each of these factions with their own agenda, we are showing those folks that in America, terrorism works. You blow up a few people, and you and your groups demands and beliefs end up on CNN for the next 48 hours.. instant press and an easy outlet for anyone's frustrations against American society. Wanna hurt/piss off/scare Americans? join/fund/support a terrorist group.

its interesting that the patriot act was introduced like 5 days after 9/11, and signed into law a month later... as if its possible to write, let along pass anything through our beaurocracy that fast. and then of course 9/11 provided the justification for a middle eastern interjection. this should be obvious to all of us by now that our government has far more motivation than radical muslims, that 'terrorism' is the mother of all wars, which will only succeed in giving total personal sovereignty over to an ever totalitarian establishment. it is possible to win the war on terror, and lose the war for our freedom, which is exactly the corner we've been driven into. i mean, we're being asked to slowly give up freedom for liberty, when they are the same thing! thats classic Orwellian double speak

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Terrorism has been around for a long time, bombings, suicides, even beheadings.. Am I suggesting we just ignore it all and pretend it doesn't exist like before and the world will get better? No.. but, accepting it and moving on would be a good start.

terrorism has been a long time.. and governments have quite the track record of terrorizing their own citizens aswell. i think accepting that we need a spiritual message rather than a militarized one might help a little bit

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Abolishing Terrorism is like abolishing swimming.. even if you somehow managed to prevent everyone in the world from swimming, the myth or memory of it would remain.. and someone, somewhere, for whatever cause, for whatever reason, would eventually try it again.

well... when terrorism stretches to include pot smokers and government dissenters, we suddenly have a constant stream of Americans who become suspects

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or *promulgated*, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." -Dr. Henry Kissinger,

RUE

Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:31 AM

Hi Succatash,

Am I safer? According to US intelligence - no. I am actually more at risk.

Rue

SERGEANTX

Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:17 AM

Hmmm, safer?

Al Qaeda is manipulating our government into dismantling civil liberties and creating a brand new 'American-style' fascist state. I fail to see how a few successes in the so-called War on Terror add up to much of anything when we look at the real damage being done.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:20 AM

we are not safer since Bush and co cheated his way into office, actually its just the opposite we are not Safe at all.

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