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Joss Discussed Sequel and Other Things

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ADAPA

Monday, October 9, 2006 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by zzetta13:
Adapa your post has cast a subtle light on things that I haven't thought about. If you're saying a BDM2 is being viewed by the powers that be with a positive attitude but Joss is wanting to go a step further and take it all the way to another series. Well, isn't that a Win-Win situation for the browncoats :)
I'm not seeing it but I guess it can't be ruled out.

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Yes, it would be a win win for us. Is it true? I don't have a clue. It was an odd thought based on the noted necessary difference in writing styles between Firefly & Serentity. Don't get me wrong, what ever Joss does in the 'verse will be great and I will pay $$ to see it.

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Originally posted by zzetta13:

I guess I view Joss's statement about Serenity being only a patch over the scar of FF in a different way. My wife pointed something out to me a couple of months ago and it hit me like a hammer that she was right (she usually is). Serenity and Firefly are two separate animals. I'm saying this because we see it and there have been posts on the forum here by others that seem to confirm that it's felt the same by many.

The writing styles of Serenity and FF are different. Joss and company were writing the series in a carefree style were one story could flow into another. Hints of one eps could be allured to or talked about in the next eps or in another one down the road. The feeling was that there was plenty of time (and story ideas) to let the water run, so to speak, until the idea mill became but a drip. Cast and crew were blindsided by the network decision to cancel.

When the "green light" was given for the movie Joss was forced to write differently. He would have to write in a way that 1) would make the loyal FF fans happy and continue the story 2) Write in a way so that any non fans that went to see the show would “get the J/verse” and 3) Write in a way that could bring a certain amount of closure because by then he had become gun-shy and there was no promise of a sequel.

I really enjoyed Serenity. The BDM was what lead us to the dvd series in the first place. I love the Firefly series. A sequel to Serenity would be nice but a new series is a browncoat dream. Well that and another movie would be.

Z

The thing that struck me the most about Joss's post was his exasperation with the multitude of ideas running threw his brain. Having only had that experience once or twice I can only imagine what that is like but I have read a bit & it seems as tho the ideas have to come out somehow or the person (Joss) goes a little nutters. I know this is a stretch but perhaps Joss is the type who has to create to keep the ADD horse focused. For me once the idea is on the page (or typed) I can let it go but until that point it keeps naging me causeing me no end of distraction.

The reason I thought of a series instead of a BDM2 was because if my theory is correct, Joss recognises his need to tell the whole story not just 2 hours of it.

I'm proably out to lunch & will be happy with anything Joss creates. Yes, even Wondygal & Gonners.

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ANA

Monday, October 9, 2006 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
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If you still tell people who might be receptive, "There's this great thing called Firefly/Serenity, you should really watch it," what does it matter what you think of the future? If you don't ... well you're an ass for not spreading the goodness around, but I'm not gonna hold that against you.

If you never meet people who might be receptive the point is moot.

Oh, have no fear. I'm spreadin' the word, or at least as much as I can while in med school purgatory. I've already converted two of my classmates into Firefly fans, but most of the rest aren't big sci-fi folks. I pity them.

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REAVERPREY

Monday, October 9, 2006 8:29 AM

Well I for one am going to put myself out there and say that without any doubt Joss will bring our BDH's back. It's Joss - it doesn't mattter how many obstacles are put in his path his genius will find an outlet and someday we will see Serenity 2. I say Serenity rather than Firefly coz I really don't think a return to the series will come about - not to Firefly as it was.
If joss did have a 7 year arc planned out for the show then that gives us two more movies easily. if I remember correctly he said in an interview once that the movie only brought us to the end of what he had planned for series two. So .... 5 more years to go.
The only possible return to a tv series I can imagine is after Serenity 2 (and hopefully Serenity 3) and then not to Firefly but to another Verse related show based around new characters or old 'minor' characters and featuring occasional appearances from teh BDH's. I'd live to see another episode about Jubal Early.

ZEPSTER44

Monday, October 9, 2006 1:45 PM

I have to get this off my chest.

I have to offer Joss and all the fans and everyone involved in Firefly a true and sincere apology. I love Sci Fi and never even knew about Firefly. Had heard about it but never checked it out. I live in Atlanta and we had DragonCon this past year which had Jane, River and Wash at the convention... but, I didnt know this because I had no clue about Firefly. So, this month on cable, OnDemand offered Serenity. My wife watched it and said I needed to check it out, so, 3 weeks ago, I did. I was blown away! I went out and bought the dvd set of the series and was even more impressed. After watching the shows, I cant help but feel guilty for being one of the many many people who were not exposed to Firefly when it was launched on Fox and feel responsible for the reason why it never took off. (even be a small percentage)

Needless to say, after watching the shows and the movie several times, I wish there was more.. way more. So, to all the fans and actors, production crew, etc., I apologize for not being there when fan support was needed most.

GRIZWALD

Monday, October 9, 2006 3:12 PM

Zepster, I understand completely. But the Original Browncoats don't want us to feel guilty, they just want us to be happy that they held the line long enough for us to find them!

(((hugs to all the Original Browncoats out there)))

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HUMBUG

Monday, October 9, 2006 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by zzetta13:
Serenity and Firefly are two separate animals. I'm saying this because we see it and there have been posts on the forum here by others that seem to confirm that it's felt the same by many.

The writing styles of Serenity and FF are different. Joss and company were writing the series in a carefree style were one story could flow into another... for the movie Joss was forced to write differently. He would have to write in a way that 1) would make the loyal FF fans happy and continue the story 2) Write in a way so that any non fans that went to see the show would “get the J/verse” and 3) Write in a way that could bring a certain amount of closure because by then he had become gun-shy and there was no promise of a sequel.

So true!

I was thinking about what Joss and Tim said about what the Firelfy Pilot episode was like before Fox asked for changes, and what it was like after. They said that Mal was too gruff, and they wanted a little humour injected into his character. You look at Serenity's mal, and his is grimmer and more battle scared. I'm beginning to think that the characters in the BDM are as Joss originally intended, before Fox got their claws in.

It makes me so frustrated when I think of all the creative freedom Joss was given to create Buffy. he had time to develop chrarcters, and time to build up a fan base. But Firely was not given that opportunity.

Please, someone, give Joss another chance to bring us more stories from the Firefly/Serenity 'verse. It's rough and ready, a little battle-scarred, bitter and torn up. But we love it, and want a chance to see the characters again.

Don't give up, fellow browncoats. Keep Believing! Joss is on the case.

Humbug

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ZZETTA13

Monday, October 9, 2006 5:23 PM

Hey Zepster welcome to the boat and another thing don't feel guilty. Well, at least to much. I think every browncoat here that came to the show at a later time does carry a little guilt. We really shouldn't though. It wasn't the fans fault as much as the greedy suits that removed the show too quickly. We're just glad you found Fffan.net in the first place (and a big thank you to your wife for telling you about it). Tell all your friends about us.

Ok fellow B-coats this past weekend took the family to the Texas Renaissance Festival in Plantersville,Tx. Wore my “Serenity” shirt like I do much of the time to local events like this. Good news, about 15 ppl commented about my shirt and the show. I was all smiles and my wife got a big kick out of that. I venture to say that for every browncoat that finds FFF.net and joins there are 40-50 that lurk, 200 that don’t have a computer or just don’t know that we’re here. 1000s that that love the show, would love to see more just need some push, and even more that just are unaware of the show. They are future COATS they just don’t know it yet. Smart thing for tv exects to do would be to get the ball rolling again. They are already guaranteed the $$$ from those of us that love the show and there are many, many sites of devoted FF/ Serenity fans. Heck there’s even a part of a “Smallville” fan site that is for Joss/Firefly fans. Are tv exects CRAZY or what?

Anyway, welcome again Zepster ( and get your wife to join too) great to have you here.

Z

PS: I totally agree Humbug

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, October 9, 2006 5:30 PM

Yeah Zepster, we love seeing new Browncoats about. It lets us know that the signal is still spreading!

If memory serves, when Joss gave up on TV altogether he said it was because he couldn't "throw ideas against the wall and see what sticks." He cares about his characters. He can't just churn out a dozen ideas and drop them if no one else wants them. They're too close to him.

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MINK

Monday, October 9, 2006 10:38 PM

I'm a newbie and I see no reason to feel guilty. At the time Firefly was aired I had already forsaken TV shows. It was only HBO that got me back into watching dramatic series, and that's still pretty much the only channel I watch series on. [grumblegrumbleDEADWOODgrumbleWTF?!?]

So I discovered the BDM first, like most people these days. Just started the series with my wife and I'm hopeful about converting her. I thought the BDM was awesome but to her it was just decent. She's an absolute sucker for series, though. Give her 3-4 episodes and she's hooked.

She's such a non-geek, it's difficult sometimes. Don't expect to see us dressed up at a convention anytime soon. The closest I ever got to that kind of activity was the George R.R. Martin book signing in Petaluma last year.

I think there was a point in that post somewhere, but maybe not.

It's okay to leave them to die.

ZOID

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:37 AM

pinballwizard wrote, in part:

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...They brought back Family Guy, they brought back Futurama, they can bring back this.

The ironic part (don't start, wannabe Websters) of this is that now there are two studios that have no intention of doing anything further with the property (unless someone sacrifices a virgin to the God Of Cluelessness ...and in Hollywood, no less). So, F*x won't make more TV eps, and they won't sell their 'precious' 10-year rights to anyone else; meaning that SciFi/NBC, etc. cannot make new TV eps, even if they were so inclined. Likewise, Universal are dragging their feet on sequelizing Serenity, but they're also not going to give up the movie rights to anyone else, either.

Why is it that studios don't care enough to make more of something that so many of their customers find irresistible, while at the same time caring enough to keep the competition from getting a hold of it, for fear that they might make it a success? If you fear Firefly/Serenity might be successful if properly handled, then why not simply handle it properly yourself? By the same token, if you're certain you've done everything right and that the property simply will never be profitable, then why not just let it go, and dare your competitors to make something of it?

...But to just lock it up forever out of greed... jealous possessiveness... a desire to never be proven fallible? I just don't understand this behavior. Is this what being rich is all about: Clutching something you don't even want so tightly that it bleeds, for fear that someone else might lavish the love upon it that it deserves, and make something beautiful out of it? It sure is looking that way to me, and it saddens me to the depths of my soul...

Disconcertedly,

zoid

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If the above conjecture on the rich person's mentality is in any way accurate, then Children of the Rich, you have my deepest sympathies. Better you had been born to the poorest of parents; at least you'd have been loved, instead of growing up seeing everything and everyone as an object to be owned...
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