Who Said It? Osama, Jerry or Pat?
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UPDATED: Friday, October 13, 2006 19:25
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Quote:No, you know what you want my take to be because you can't and never have been able to argue against anything I have said. You instead demand I back up some other thing I never said. You ask me to back up why I think Jesus was a mass murderer because I said some Christians kill in the name of Christ.
Originally posted by antimason:
and when athiests blow stuff up... well their exempt, because only religious people are murderes
i know your take Citizen
That's either delusional or blatantly dishonest, which is it?
But lets take you platently BS argument of "and when athiests blow stuff up... well their exempt, because only religious people are murderes". When did I say only religious people kill? When did I say people who are Atheists should be excused of wrong doings? Quote me. You can't because I NEVER SAID THAT!
But to take your argument head on, I guarantee you that more death can be attributed to followers of any major religion through the ages than to Atheists. Also I wouldn't call a Christian who happens to murder someone a Christian murderer, unless that Murder was motivated by their belief in Christianity. You on the other hand make overtures to the extent a murder by an atheist is an atheist murder, but a murder by a Christian is an Occultist murder. Nice double standards. Show me one murder that demonstratably stems from someone believing there is no God.
You are willing to excuse Christianity of any wrong doing, after all it's really the Occultists. Adversely you make overtures along the lines of Atheists have no morals. So what you attempt to accuse me of is demonstratably apt to you, and doesn't apply to me at all.
Quote:You've mentioned a number of times the violent hateful nature of Islam, implying that any violence perpetrated by Muslims stems from Islam, I'll dig up the quotes if you like. Adversely you continually say again and again how any act of less than perfect peace and Harmony by Christians is the work of shadowy NWO-Occultists.
show me where i said muslims are evil?? please..quote me! you cant do it.. because I NEVER SAID SUCH A THING
Quote:Well I didn't get personal with you, but your bigoted opinion of anyone who you consider to not be Christian is showing through. Oh look another accusation from you that fits you better than me.
you dont care about any of that, you are content with your own divisive bigoted opinion
Quote:I can't show you how your definition of Christianity fits in with anything in the real world. You idea of Christianity is of this infallible thing that doesn't actually exist. Your idea of what a Christian is likewise means there are no real Christians, including yourself. I can't show you how anything resembles your definition of Christianity because your definition of Christianity simply doesn't exist.
once again you are confusing peoples personal opinions, with doctrines actually preached by JESUS in the bible
show me where JESUS, the BASIS OF CHRISTIANITY, is in league with the neo cons... show me the similarities?
You've shown yourself utterly incapable of rationally discussing anything remotely relating to you're definition of Christianity so I feel no need to try again.
Quote:Well if you knew anything about the Bible you'd know the correct translation of that sentence is "thou shalt not Murder". Maybe you should do some study into your religion?
until you do, understand that murder and conquest and lies are DISCOURAGED BY JESUS... hnece that well known commandment "thou shalt not kill"!
Plus I think you'll find the Commandments were given to Moses in the OT, not Jesus in the NT. If you'd care to read a little bit more of the OT you'll find lots of nice stuff that not only allows but encourages killing. No one ever said the Bible wasn't self contradictory.
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occultism is to woship idols(money, power, possessions), fallen angels(gods), or a false christ(satan, NOT JESUS).. all of which encompass actions that do not align with Gods will, wich is ANOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:I mean two are acceptable religious lunatics who are to be given a voice and allowed to try and spread theocracies. The other is to be bombed.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Yes... Jerry and Pat are as bad as they come
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
I mean one tries to spread his theocracy with mass murder and the other two try with ridiculous bible blabber. Who is worse? Dunno? You can't be equating these. Or can you be? I wouldn't put it past you to trivialize mass murder just because you hate religion.
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9/11. I got 9 wrong, 11 right. I get the point, they sound pretty much the same.
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Quote:If Jerry and Pat had no voice in the most powerful military nation on Earth, if they lived in, lets say a cave, in, well for arguments sake Afghanistan, if you think they wouldn't be at the head of a Christian Terrorist network you're delusional
Originally posted by kaneman:
I mean one tries to spread his theocracy with mass murder and the other two try with ridiculous bible blabber. Who is worse? Dunno? You can't be equating these. Or can you be? I wouldn't put it past you to trivialize mass murder just because you hate religion.
Fact is people like Pat and Jerry are probably more dangerous to you than Osama. How many American civilians have been killed by Al Qaeda? 6000? That's less people than the number killed by the IRA, an organisation AURaptor says is 'small time'. Do you trivalise the IRA because they were only killing English people and not the more important American? Killing a few people is all Osama can do, unless you do more in fear of him. Jerry and Pat and those like them who have voices and influence in your government can do much much more.
I don't hate religion, that's crazy talk. I hate religious fanaticism, and the attitude of those of any religion that comfort themselves with speak like "they did it". That attitude, the desire to absolve oneself of all blame is as much a cause of much of the present conflict in the world as the land it's fought on and the bombs and bullets used.
It's the attitude that allows some to not understand why the down trodden people of the middle east may have an axe to grind with the western powers.
"But we're such nice people!". You really think the people over there are any different? It's people the world over, they're the same animal. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, you'd react badly too a western power if it propped up vicious dictators, and killed or supported those that killed your children in order to ensure cheap fuel prices at the pumps so some guy can drive a big fat wasteful SUV?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Occultists made me do it.
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Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:I mean two are acceptable religious lunatics who are to be given a voice and allowed to try and spread theocracies. The other is to be bombed.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Yes... Jerry and Pat are as bad as they come
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
I mean one tries to spread his theocracy with mass murder and the other two try with ridiculous bible blabber. Who is worse? Dunno? You can't be equating these. Or can you be? I wouldn't put it past you to trivialize mass murder just because you hate religion.
I don't think Osama tries to "spread his theocracy" with mass murder. He wasn't trying to convert the non-Muslim U.S. population to Islam when his organization flew planes into the towers. All 3 are modern religious zealots, using their interpretation of a holy book NOT written by any god to justify hatred, violence, oppression, and ignorance.
They are all three equally atrocious.
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Originally posted by antimason:
this is why i hang around this board..
i guess i could dig up some secular quotes where it was proposed that we should blow Iraq and Islam to hell..but what good would that do? individuals say and do what they please, religious or not
since many of you are not true-to-the-heart christians, therefore have not relentlessly studied the bible, nor given any consideration to occult perversions, i dont expect you all to know what Jesus Christs true message is, and what are perversions...
but at the same time, it would help if you all didnt take (ironically)as gospel, such bigoted opinions, and then associate them with Jesus and christianity, since the bible does not inspire such behavior or sentiment, and many christians such as myself KNOW FULL WELL THAT THIS IS AN OCCULT CONSPIRACY TO BRING UPON THE ANTICHRISTS GLOBAL GOVERNMENT-therefore we RESIST THIS TYPE OF PROPOGANDA AND HATEFUL RHETORIC, and avoid the divisive polarization of public opinion towards anyone.. christians, liberals, muslims or whoever it may be
when you condescendingly marginalize christianity, you then inherently marginalize the root problem which is the occult, and its influence through institutions who are the real perpetrators of this fascist global government agenda; such as the FED, the CFR and their political members and affiliates
ive said before the GOAL is a NWO, the global government of ANTICHRIST, and 9/11 was an inside job to initiate this agenda, using America as the engine. anyone, including christians, who believe the establishment view of history(like 9/11) are unwitting pawns and accomplices to this agenda, because unless you expose this for what it is, you inadvertantly take part in its fullfillment.. but it is not solely christians... ANYONE who supports the official view of 9/11 is being decieved by an occult conspiracy
this is why you all need to recognize America for what she is; the statue of liberty, the all seeing eye, the fasces, the pentagons and pentagrams.. it is all masonic occult symbolism which alludes to the luciferian fascist conspiracy that is curretnly decieving the whole world!
i beg you to consider what i am saying to you..because the symbolism and documentation is right in front of your faces. you can deny whether God truly exists, but understand that the OCCULT does exist, and they control the world through the central banks.
heres a documentary on the 9/11 lie, and its occult facets of orchestration
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=alex%2B
jones%2Bmartial%2Blaw&pl=true
is the UK predominatly Christian? then why are they also behind America, and in many ways further along with this police state agenda? this is happening universally, irrespective of personal belief
As far as I can tell no one ever said that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell were indicative of Christianity as a whole. They represent one hate-filled, extremely right wing facet of it. And unfortunately, this particular facet seems to be gaining ground, exposure, and waging too much control over the government. And why is that?
BECAUSE IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM AND THE GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE A GOD HATING TERRORRIST (communist!) WHO WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA AND ALL WESTERN VALUES (capitalism!)!!!
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my arguement is that the bible teaches to resist negetive behavior.. so how does the bible then INFLUENCE this behavior? that is my question..
if a politician, or someother prominant official is using christianity as a tool, that action in itself is antichristian
i never said athiests were subhuman, immoral sinners... my point was what motivates an individual to commit any unethical behavior? either way this 'desire' includes christians, athiests and muslims alike; so i dont see how you can single out christians for these deeds
i understand, you are not arguing what Jesus says.. but im telling you that his word is everything, as HE HIMSELF says to enter through the narrow gate, to aviod diception, and to love your neighbor above all else... anything else, by definition, does not align with the LIKENESS of christ, aka christian. when it becomes a tool for conquest, it becomes occult; that is my sole point.
i am imperfect, and likewise i do not judge others for their MINOR imperfections. but the people that come up in these discussions, the Bushs and other far right christian-occultists, i do have a problem with, because they are in posititions to affect enormous amounts of change, and they are perverting JEsus' message... that is where my beef lies; passing occultism off as christianity
the hypocracy is that we each use a double standard.. i mean, what is the title of this thread implying? that religious leaders and terrorists have the same talking points? because i think athiests are just as intolerant towards theists as is vice versa, so why perpetuate this divisiveness?
no one here will even rometely consider the evidence ive put forth, which substantiates MY PREMISE< my entire purpose of responding= which is that many christians in positions of power are secret occultists intentionally teaching diceptive doctrines. the sentiment around here seems to portray christians as these dogmatic, intolerant and bigotted war mongers... when Jesus himself preaches the opposite message; im telling you that the real, shadow agenda, is a one world government for the antichrist... that means that people working towards or supporting this are supporting an occult agenda. many are christians, but their are many who arent.. but by supporting this occult NWO agenda, directly or indirectly, they are being decieved
i am not belittling anyone here for any reason, nor do i wish to get into a mudslinging match with any of you... i simply want you to actually recognize that christianity becomes occultic beyond a certain threshold, and many American institutions like the Fed, the CFR, and societies like the freemasons and skull and bones are examples of occult societies.
i think you should all be aware of that.. rather then discard it as conspiracy crack pot ramblings.. because this is a documented fact
im not excusing any christian who blatantly sins..but why make the distinction of "christian" with the negative connotation.. when all human beings have been murderes and lyers throughout history? i think thats a double standard, because no one ever has anything to say about the athiest population, myself included.. because i have no factual bases to make such assumptions; but christians and other religions are fair game; i think thats hypocritical
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Originally posted by Sassalicious:Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:I mean two are acceptable religious lunatics who are to be given a voice and allowed to try and spread theocracies. The other is to be bombed.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Yes... Jerry and Pat are as bad as they come
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
I mean one tries to spread his theocracy with mass murder and the other two try with ridiculous bible blabber. Who is worse? Dunno? You can't be equating these. Or can you be? I wouldn't put it past you to trivialize mass murder just because you hate religion.
I don't think Osama tries to "spread his theocracy" with mass murder. He wasn't trying to convert the non-Muslim U.S. population to Islam when his organization flew planes into the towers. All 3 are modern religious zealots, using their interpretation of a holy book NOT written by any god to justify hatred, violence, oppression, and ignorance.
They are all three equally atrocious.
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Wisconsin sucks. I don't want to be here.
~Forsaken Forever
Sass, he has told America to convert or die after 9-11. That sounds like spreading his religion by the threat of murder to me. And the other two babbling on about the bible and Adam and Eve are not nearly as atrocious as OBL, clearly you must see that. Or is someone having a religious based opinion, different than your own, really that scary and atrocious to you as mass murder?
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