Faith and Reason

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Originally posted by rue:
This goes along with my deifnition of 'faith' - which is that which you believe - in the absense of proof or the the presence of disproof. If I remember correctly CTS thought that that definition shouldn't be used. HK thought that the word was too divisive and wanted to use the word 'trust'.

But 'faith' is the basis of fundamentalist religion. You can't get around it.

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Let us remember that one can be a Christian and NOT be a fundamentalist.

My problem with Fundamentalist Evangelicals is the belief they have that one has to be "born again". This goes against what I was taught as a Protestant child and a Catholic adult.

I will note for you all that I do not go to church and have a problem with most organized religions. But I am very spiritual and I would say that you could call me a Christian.

Seems to me the problem with American society re:Christianity in the US, can be laid at the feet of the baby boomers. Everything is our fault.


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Originally posted by kaneman:

You never met anyone from Latin America, The Middle East, or India I guess.

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You never read my subsequent post I guess.

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@misbehaven:

Got that reply from the wife w/ an exert of the article:

"""
From Life magazine, September 7, 1953:
The world we live in: part V
The Pageant of Life, by Lincoln Barnett

"Darwin's theory was quickly recognized as one of the great scientific achievements of all time, for it illuminated the whole grand panorama of animal life on earth, past and present... The theological implications led to longer disputes, though Darwin was a religious man and it was not he but some of his followers who wished to dispense with God. Today, while there remain fundamentalists of all faiths who regard Genesis as a literal document open to no interpretation, the main stream of thought in Western theology has embraced evolution as the scientific account of creation. Not is this interpretive tradition new. Long ago St. Augustine
discussed various ways in which the work of the Six Days might be understood, and St. Thomas Aquinas distinguished between the initial
creation of matter and the establishment of natural laws that have continued to effect change in the physical world."

This 20 page article sits between reports on horse races and swimming, and ads for stockings, coffee and beer.
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Kind of illuminates how far we've gone down in the past 50+ years, no?

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

Kind of illuminates how far we've gone down in the past 50+ years, no?

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Indeed, it certainly does. I really appreciate you tracking down the information on the article. I'll have to see if can locate a copy, because what you've posted definitely has my interest. Thanks again.

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Originally posted by misbehaven:

I really appreciate you tracking down the information on the article. I'll have to see if can locate a copy, because what you've posted definitely has my interest. Thanks again.

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No worries. I'll pass the thanks along to the wife as she's the one who did all the real work.

I would imagine that you could find it on microfesh at a local library. But, possibly an antique store as well (that's where the wife found her copy).

Anyway, hope it turns out to be useful. Have fun

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Whenever posed with a question of religion vs science I like to quote two scientists who's veiws I share.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei

I can't put it any better than that.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

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Of course there is the reply Laplace is said to have made to Napoleon, when asked if he believed in God.

"Sir, I have no need for that hypothesis."

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Originally posted by Whimsicalnbrainpan:

Whenever posed with a question of religion vs science I like to quote two scientists who's veiws I share.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei

I can't put it any better than that.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

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Einstein's quote about science without religion is taken out of context in that he is not talking about religion in the sense of a belief in God but in a 'cosmic religious sense'. He had no faith and was openly athiestic despite the negative press he received for it.

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Originally posted by misbehaven:
The following are excerpts from Sam Harris' book: Letter to a Christian Nation (66-68). So far it is proving to be a very interesting read. I am also looking forward to reading Richard Dawkins' new book: The God Delusion. Too many books to read, and too little time to read them.

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Have you read 'The God Delusion' yet? I finished it a couple of days ago. As an already hardline athiest I can't say it was a life changing read, but it certainly was a life affirming one.

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He who kills with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

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