Religion and the Founding Fathers
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Sunday, October 1, 2006 00:54
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Originally posted by misbehaven:
Oops! You got me.
It never got weird enough for me.
-Hunter S. Thompson
Heehee! Nice sig, by the way.
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Glad to help out Whim. I sent it to some of the ultra-conservative members of my family, and I have yet to receive a response. I think it's the whole facts thing that's leaving them speechless.
I did send this to the one person in my family who has an open mind. Now I just need to convert them into a Browncoat.
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Originally posted by Whimsicalnbrainpan:
I did send this to the one person in my family who has an open mind. Now I just need to convert them into a Browncoat.
Turning them into a Browncoat will be the easy part.
By the way, I started reading your blog, and it's incredible what you've survived. My heart goes out to you Whim. You've a level of courage few will ever know.
Buy the ticket. Take the ride.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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By the way, I started reading your blog, and it's incredible what you've survived. My heart goes out to you Whim. You've a level of courage few will ever know.
Thanks Misbehaven
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Citzen--"in God we trust" does not automatically support this premise that America has been infiltrated by fundementalist christians.... what drives me crazy is that none of you give this subject anything more than a cursory glance and then move on.. and in this way completely miss the forest for the trees
this thread is called "religion and our founding fathers"..
well, did you know that Lucifer(known by many names) is also considered a "God" by many of the mystery religions of the ancient world?
well these doctrines have been preserved by societies like the illuminati/freemasons; groups who set the foundation for our current political system. the links are stronger than you think.. so in this case we are not entirely secularly distinct like you all believe
it is Lucifer, rather than the christian God Yahweh, that is being represented by the collective symbolism adopted by the American establishment, which Yahweh declared in the OT to be idolatrous; such as the all seeing eye, the pheonix(eagle), the obelisks and pentagrams etc... because they are referring to secretive knowledge that was introduced to the ancients by "gods"(fallen angels), knowledge that is highly coveted by these secret socieities
it is said about these mysteries
“The magical mystery religion of Ancient Egypt exercised a great fascination over Renaissance man, which was incorporated into—the newly formed—Lodges at that time. The mysterious heiroglyphs were considered to be symbols of hidden knowledge. Symbols and gestures became a means of conveying secrets and "truths". The cosmos was seen as an organic unity. It was peopled by a hierarchy of spirits which exercised all kinds of influences and sympathies. The practice of magic became a holy quest.”
you may be right that America wasnt founded by christians..but in many ways it was founded by occultists... so is that any better? i guess as long as its not Jesus ...the irony is i dont hear any of you upset about this historical masonic revelation; rather its boastworthy to have nothing to do with Jesus. what is so heinous about Jesus' message? please, quote it back to me!
Masonry, which the majority of our founding fathers were members of, IS a religion! so consider the mark masonry has left on our country..and come back and defend this notion of this secular founding
for starters, the American political system is based off of a masonry, (ie. luciferian idealogy) which denies Jesus' deity as doctrine; because it also acknowledges Lucifer as the light(knowledge) bringer. a good article on this
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1144.cfm
which explains that luciferianism is a worldview, a religion; but something tells me i wont hear you all shouting about the hypocracy- probably because you dont recognize the symbolism, that it is infact religious in nature, and directly related to our cultural practices.
these quotes were taken from the most cherished of Masons (manly hall, albert pike); observe their language and subscribed relevency to the beliefs of the ancients
“Symbolism is the language of the Mysteries ... By symbols men have ever sought to communicate to each other those thoughts which transcend the limitations of language. Rejecting man-conceived dialects as inadequate and unworthy to perpetuate divine ideas, the Mysteries thus chose symbolism as a far more ingenious and ideal method of preserving their transcendental knowledge. In a single figure a symbol may both reveal and conceal, for to the wise the subject of the symbol is obvious, while to the ignorant the figure remains inscrutable. Hence, he who seeks to unveil the secret doctrine of antiquity must search for that doctrine not upon the open pages of books which might fall into the hands of the unworthy but in the place where it was originally concealed.”
“Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah. In that ancient and little understood medley of absurdity and philosophy, the Initiate will find the source of many doctrines; and may in
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Originally posted by antimason:
Citzen--"in God we trust" does not automatically support this premise that America has been infiltrated by fundementalist christians.... what drives me crazy is that none of you give this subject anything more than a cursory glance and then move on.. and in this way completely miss the forest for the trees
this thread is called "religion and our founding fathers"..
well, did you know that Lucifer(known by many names) is also considered a "God" by many of the mystery religions of the ancient world?
well these doctrines have been preserved by societies like the illuminati/freemasons; groups who set the foundation for our current political system. the links are stronger than you think.. so in this case we are not entirely secularly distinct like you all believe
it is Lucifer, rather than the christian God Yahweh, that is being represented by the collective symbolism adopted by the American establishment, which Yahweh declared in the OT to be idolatrous; such as the all seeing eye, the pheonix(eagle), the obelisks and pentagrams etc... because they are referring to secretive knowledge that was introduced to the ancients by "gods"(fallen angels), knowledge that is highly coveted by these secret socieities
it is said about these mysteries
“The magical mystery religion of Ancient Egypt exercised a great fascination over Renaissance man, which was incorporated into—the newly formed—Lodges at that time. The mysterious heiroglyphs were considered to be symbols of hidden knowledge. Symbols and gestures became a means of conveying secrets and "truths". The cosmos was seen as an organic unity. It was peopled by a hierarchy of spirits which exercised all kinds of influences and sympathies. The practice of magic became a holy quest.”
you may be right that America wasnt founded by christians..but in many ways it was founded by occultists... so is that any better? i guess as long as its not Jesus ...the irony is i dont hear any of you upset about this historical masonic revelation; rather its boastworthy to have nothing to do with Jesus. what is so heinous about Jesus' message? please, quote it back to me!
Masonry, which the majority of our founding fathers were members of, IS a religion! so consider the mark masonry has left on our country..and come back and defend this notion of this secular founding
for starters, the American political system is based off of a masonry, (ie. luciferian idealogy) which denies Jesus' deity as doctrine; because it also acknowledges Lucifer as the light(knowledge) bringer. a good article on this
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1144.cfm
which explains that luciferianism is a worldview, a religion; but something tells me i wont hear you all shouting about the hypocracy- probably because you dont recognize the symbolism, that it is infact religious in nature, and directly related to our cultural practices.
these quotes were taken from the most cherished of Masons (manly hall, albert pike); observe their language and subscribed relevency to the beliefs of the ancients
“Symbolism is the language of the Mysteries ... By symbols men have ever sought to communicate to each other those thoughts which transcend the limitations of language. Rejecting man-conceived dialects as inadequate and unworthy to perpetuate divine ideas, the Mysteries thus chose symbolism as a far more ingenious and ideal method of preserving their transcendental knowledge. In a single figure a symbol may both reveal and conceal, for to the wise the subject of the symbol is obvious, while to the ignorant the figure remains inscrutable. Hence, he who seeks to unveil the secret doctrine of antiquity must search for that doctrine not upon the open pages of books which might fall into the hands of the unworthy but in the place where it was originally concealed.”
“Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah. In that ancient and little understood medley of absurdity and philosophy, the Initiate will finNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by yinyang:
Truthiness... isn't that from The Colbert Report, where you make up your own truth?
No, not quite. The "truthiness" of a proposition lies not in whether it is true or false but in whether or not it it ought to be true (in the opinion, presumably, of the speaker).
The logical construct runs kinda like this: "Proposition "X" supports my position; therefore proposition "X" ought to be true; it has truthiness!"
It's kind of related to the idea of "printing the legend", but with less artistic dignity.
"The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." -- Albus Dumbledore
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Originally posted by yinyang:
Truthiness... isn't that from The Colbert Report, where you make up your own truth?
No, not quite. The "truthiness" of a proposition lies not in whether it is true or false but in whether or not it it ought to be true (in the opinion, presumably, of the speaker).
The logical construct runs kinda like this: "Proposition "X" supports my position; therefore proposition "X" ought to be true; it has truthiness!
It's kind of related to the idea of "printing the legend", but with less artistic dignity.
"The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." -- Albus Dumbledore
From Wikipedia (granted, not the best source; but, a lot of his rabid fans are part of it, so...):
"Truthiness is a satirical term coined by Stephen Colbert in reference to the quality by which a person claims to know something intuitively, instinctively, or 'from the gut' without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or actual facts."
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Just curious Antimason, have you been illuminated? If you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't. Just wanted to know.
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