Chavez agrees with me
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Saturday, September 30, 2006 01:33
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Huh.
I thought a minority of people would get the joke. Turns out to be no one.
Democrat, in this case, is represented by "donkey"
Rue
Did you even watch the video?
Besides the obvious Chavez is off his rocker, funny, a commie with cows, and right about Bush bring an ass.,
Rue
You got to stop using this offensive term "idée fixee" - I suspect I'm a great deal more open minded than you and citizen who use it. You're becoming the Auraptors of your side.
Mavourneen
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That man's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Thank you. You got the point. This was the point, my jackass joke aside.
Funny though. Like a junta with money.
Signym,
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Of course no one gets that it's propaganda.
I hope that you get that Chavez is progaganda also. He's hardly the opposition to Bush-style ideas, just to Bush personally. I Bush started calling Ahmadinejad a donkey, thought, it would be a lot more entertaining.
The Bush idea that Chavez added to his repertoire in this piece was the most impressive: "Bring it on"
FT,
No, Chavez isn't evil, but he is a jackass. As long as he's going to hate us, we at least get to laugh at him. My favorite from last year was when he said that Halloween was a decadent and hollow tradition and "Pumpkins show their emptiness."
This reminds me of some of the more up moments of the cold war.
For the record, Chavez is a schmuck. He is essentially a Chinese puppet, and the Venezuelan people are as poor now as when Condi Rice was stealing their oil. If there were a real revolution in which the actual people (not govt.) of Venezuela saw oil profits, I'd reconsider, but there's just been a change of players at the corruption table, not an actual revolution.
Evo Morales I have more respect for. I think that he gave a decent speech, though I didn't catch it all because ABC started doing their best to obscure it.
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Rue,
And another, not to take you task, but...
I don't complain if you take Bush down for pronouncing a word wrong, but if I mention any of Clinton's myriad evil deeds suddenly I'm a partisan pawn? Whatever.
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DT,
I really don't have time to go googling. All I asked for was a few links. If you really wanted me to 'get' your points, it's not too much to ask, since you've already done the research and all. 
Orherwise, I will consider them idees fixee, since you seem bound and determined to fit every kind of peg into your particular round hole.
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I like Chavez, at least what I've seen of him. He is heavy on the rhetoric, which is so often way misrepresented in the media, but I don't think he's crazy.
He's managed to stay afloat in an environment that should have crushed him for not selling out his people and his oil for American corpoarations, and it seems to me that his rhetoric is coming at an opportune time...a time when America is losing face and power around the world, and Chavez is throwing the weight he has into a galvanizing opposition to our imperialism, by yes, courting some unpleasant regimes. But when have we ever been above that ourselves?
And I don't think Chavez does hate the American People. He brokered a deal with us for low gas costs for our poor during the raping we were facing at the hands of our own companies.
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DT,
PLEASE. Look up basic facts before you make claims that aren't true!
"(Chavez)'s hardly the opposition to Bush-style ideas ... and the Venezuelan people are as poor now as when Condi Rice was stealing their oil. "
"Terry Gibbs, a political scientist at Cape Breton University, Sydney, Nova Scotia travels frequently to Venezuela in an effort to understand the Chavez government’s so-called “Bolivarian Revolution”. In an article in the current Third World Quarterly, she details how Venezuela’s social programs ... largely financed by Petroleos de Venezuela, are benefiting the poor in Venezuela.
By 2005, Gibbs notes, the Barrio Adentro Mission (program) had underwritten the placement of “more than 20,000 Cuban doctors, health workers and physical trainers” in poor communities in Venezuela and made medical services available to 17 million Venezuelans who previously had no access to health care. Gibbs adds that “in addition to being able to access clinics, poor Venezuelans can now purchase drugs at an 85 per cent discount”. To reduce dependence on the Cuban health workers who return to Cuba after working for several years in Venezuela, Chavez’ Ministry of Health is currently training about 1100 Venezuelan physicians and 2500 other health care workers.
Turning to education, Gibbs writes that by employing a Cuban-designed program that teaches basic literacy in seven weeks the Chavez government has reduced the country’s rate of illiteracy by 90 per cent. “This program”, she explains, “has also enabled the 1.2 million people who have become literate to continue their studies through grade six”, and also to acquire computer skills.
Gibbs points out that under Chavez 3500 Venezuelan schools have received major renovations, the number of days that many of the country’s poorest students attend classes has been increased from 170 to 200, some 770,000 adults have completed their secondary education, and the Chavez government has decentralized higher education, opening the multi-campus Bolivarian University of Venezuela (UBV), where students get a liberal arts education and train for professions such as law and journalism while attending classes in lecture halls that were formerly the luxurious offices of Venezuela’s oil elite.
The situation of Venezuela’s majority poor population is also eased by Petroleos de Venezuela’s policy of keeping the price of gas in Venezuela at 14 cents a gallon, far lower even than the subsidized prices that consumers pay in other oil producing countries.
In the conclusion of her article Terry Gibbs portrays Venezuela’s “Bolivarian alternative” as a different take on globalization, one that “involves a redistribution of wealth to the poorest countries” and is “challenging the control of domestic elites” throughout Latin America."
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The same content can be found in Wikipedia.
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No, Chavez isn't evil, but he is a jackass. As long as he's going to hate us, we at least get to laugh at him.
I couldn't agree more. I was, unfortunately, responding more to the hyperbole I have heard the pundits use to respond to Chavez's (just as hyperbole filled) speech.. I find it hard to bite my tongue sometimes. Sorry.
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For the record, Chavez is a schmuck. He is essentially a Chinese puppet, and the Venezuelan people are as poor now as when Condi Rice was stealing their oil. If there were a real revolution in which the actual people (not govt.) of Venezuela saw oil profits, I'd reconsider, but there's just been a change of players at the corruption table, not an actual revolution.
Admittedly, when 100% of the population is dirt poor, a 4.9% decrease in the poverty rate just ain't that much. And I'm sure Chavez and his buddies are getting filthy rich from corruption. I just thought I would point out that things are moving, slowly, in a better direction for the impoverished people of Venezuela and that the US is somewhat responsible for that impoverishment, as it is in many developing countries and this is, in my opinion, largely the reason we are so detested by much of the Third World.
I'm not saying the US is an Evil Empire, either. Every successful nation has a black stain on it's soul. In Capitalism, there are winners and losers. We've been the winners for a long time and the losers are getting pissed!
Edit- Like nobody is getting rich on the corruption in the US government...
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DT- You really don't have a clue about some things, do you? It seems to me that you are so wrapped up in the notion that "government is evil" that ANY government- even when it is doing demonstrable good- is evil. Because it's just... evil... just because it is.
See my signature:
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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DT,
One more thing .... mebee I'm a leetl teechy.
YES, I watched the video. Chavez is known for his speeches and his 'common man' approach. And yes, there was a joke in there. So I apologize for jumping all over you for this one little thing.
But there is a subtext to everything you post that colors even your jokes. Bush is a democrat. Clinton (either one) is a democrat. Rumsfeld is a democrat. They're AAALLL democrats !!! AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHhhhhh ..... RUN FOR THE HILLS !!
Government BAD ! Business GOOD ! Chavez helping the poor with government really BAD !
BAD ! BAD Chavez ! Let's call bad Chavez names ! OOOOhhh. Let's make fun of the bad government man! THAT'S fun. That's GOOD !
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And it's just as pointless and childish and unrelated to what he's actually doing as that.
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BTW - I would still like to get links. You made all sorts of claims about Clinton which I don't have time to follow up on. So I am hoping you'll provide links !
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I like Chavez, at least what I've seen of him. He is heavy on the rhetoric, which is so often way misrepresented in the media, but I don't think he's crazy.
He's managed to stay afloat in an environment that should have crushed him for not selling out his people and his oil for American corpoarations, and it seems to me that his rhetoric is coming at an opportune time...a time when America is losing face and power around the world, and Chavez is throwing the weight he has into a galvanizing opposition to our imperialism, by yes, courting some unpleasant regimes. But when have we ever been above that ourselves?
And I don't think Chavez does hate the American People. He brokered a deal with us for low gas costs for our poor during the raping we were facing at the hands of our own companies.
I wonder if the rhetoric is a cultural thing... or something to do with politics down there. It seems most South American politicians I have heard have similar styles.
I do like what Chavez said about leading from the front... If all wartime leaders did this, either negotiations would be helped by the leader seeing the results of his actions... and failing that the leader ( in my opinion ) would earn some respect. A throwback to an different time no doubt.
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Quote:Lets see, you insult me on a thread I've never posted on, just because, well I assume your aiming for a flame war.
Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
You got to stop using this offensive term "idée fixee" - I suspect I'm a great deal more open minded than you and citizen who use it. You're becoming the Auraptors of your side.
You aren't open minded, you're arrogant, yes I get it already, you're the most intelligent person who has ever lived. The difference between you and me is I require evidence to be convinced of something, you require it makes you look clever or says what you want to hear. Just because you are prepared to believe any peice of crazy shit just because you said it doesn't mean I am. It also doesn't mean you're open minded, it means you're a mug.
Oh and too intelligent thinking folk "I'm right you're wrong, get with the program, look at me I'm so great" isn't considered an intelligent argument. Obviously to you it is, but there we go.
You are acting more like a Troll everyday, you start a thread clearly designed to be inflammatory, I await your next one "all FireFly fans are scum", wonder if people will get the joke there.
Then when it's not inflammed enough you go ahead and attempt to insult people who haven't even posted here.
Well DreamTroll, until such time as you prove otherwise I will be treating your comments with the utter contempt they deserve.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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