Where do you stand - a poll

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 23:48
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SOUPCATCHER

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:42 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
2. I'm a liberal and Clinton was a ratbastard

Me me me me me me me me me me me me me...

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:21 PM

I used to be a liberal until GW Bush came along and showed me the evils of large government. But Bush is a bigger ratbastard than Clinton ever was, and that's saying some.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:22 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

That's so cool.

Orange Alert Chrisisall

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:40 PM

You can't actually ever leave fireflyfans.net. All of the links which appear to take you elsewhere will lead back here. Sometimes you think you've left, and are on google or amazon, but actually, you're still at FFF, which is masquerading as those places.

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:51 PM

Your computer has a virus:

http://numbahsix.beseeingyou/rover

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:57 PM

HK, seems like you should start a Prisoner thread.

Was it all in his mind Chrisisall

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:48 PM

There is no other thread. There was never another thread. It's all in your head.

RUE

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:51 AM

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RUE

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:06 AM

I have to disagree here.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think that a close examination of Clinton on:
1. Total civilian death toll.
2. Total money stolen
3. Selling america down the river
4. pro-corporatist, monopolies, halliburton, etc.
5. Attempted attacks on civil liberties, not to mention Americans

I think Clinton deserves no "better that Bush"

I'll give you 1) for now (Bush still has some time to fix that). But the rest? No.

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There's two things different which affect everyone's bias:

1. in the 90s the press was solidly democrat, and so it glossed over clinton's evil, and basically worshipped the ground he walked on.

You have GOT to be joking! Don't you remember the "all Monica, all the time" news that endlessly, relentlessly pushed every new hint of a whiff of a shifting mirage? And for what? After all that money, and all that time, and all that headlined-blazoned effort to ruin Clinton screaming at the American public for months on end, you can say that the press was democrat??? You and I have very different versions of reality.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:50 AM

Rue,

I think you haven't read enough anti-Clinton. Most of the corrupt deals Bush has exploited were set up by Clinton. The Halliburton arrangement was created by Clinton, between Clinton and then CEO Cheney.

The money laundering operation has been going on for a while, though the biggest was probably the Dov Zakheim trillions, which seems to be WTC-related.

Generally I say pro-Clinton/anti-Bush is like being pro-Stalin to be anti-Hitler. Really I think it's like being pro-Goebbels to be anti-Hitler.

The big port deals and military base deals were made by Clinton, selling US bases to China, shoring off our assets and trade relations to saudia arabia, the uae, israel, etc.

The biggest merger mania was in teh 90s under Clinton, most notably when all the minor media merged basically into a couple of megacompanies, the most blatant anti-trust violation of all time. Time/Warner/Turner became the skull and bones 1, and CBS/Viacom was skull and bones 2. Disney merged with capital/abc also 1997. This made almost the entirety of the news under one umbrella. Fox News started in the 90s, and Time warner tried to block it.

I'm not saying that there is no separation between teh parties, there's obviously an endless amount of bickering and power struggle, but the animal is the same, and it serves its masters, which are literally the same people. It's always Military Indus. Compx. eg Halliburton, neocommies and agendamonkeys (the same ones, who pretend to hate each other, but really are one and the same with their own sworn enemies.), China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Big oil, Big pharm.

I also think that Clinton attacked the WTC right into office, and then blamed an arab. He just screwed it up. Bush killed the WTC much more effectively, because both were really Cheney, and he had learned.

The Monica story was the most pro-Clinton propoganda ever. Before the whole scandal became about Monica, it was about things much worse. Bush does the same thing, he makes a scandal about him eating fried babies for breakfast into a scandal about him spilling the milk in the process.

The reason why monica is that they were discovered by Linda Tripp, who was the secretary of Vince Foster, who was the law parter of Hillary Clinton. Tripp became convinced that the FLOTUS with the aid of POTUS had killed her boss, and was determined to get them for it. Anyone who studies the case thoroughly realizes that she was right. The whole trial got mistrialed, and then retried by people who were Clinton hacks, and not at all impartial. I can only imagine the level of offensive it must have been for Tripp when the media started portraying her as the "fat jealous cow who wishes it was her."

But it gets so much worse. Clinton ran a drug ring with Bush down in Arkansas and Texas, with prostitution and smuggling and random killings, which all sounds pirate newsy until you dig, and find that this is true. These are the sorts of people who run our country now. Anyway, just endless money laundering embezzlement, murder, drug trafficking, etc. Look up Clinton's pardon list, all those cocaine traffickers were people who used to work for him, in his arkansas govt., and before, when he was a drug dealer.

And yeah, Bush is just as bad. But no amount of bad on either one can make the other good. They make each other worse because each time you learn "oh Bush did break the law with warrantless wiretapping" all you have to do is look and see "Oh, so did Clinton." The only difference is that *after* Clinton broke the law, and got caught, members of his own party rushed through a bogus law which made it retro-actively legal to have broken the law. Clinton himself did nothing at all that was above board to make it okay. And, for comparison, republicans in congress did the exact same thing for Bush, making a bogus retroactive law, but it didn't pass, because by then people had unravelled what Clinton had done, and so they were wise to the trick and didn't fall for it again.

Congress learns, These executive guys never learn, they just keep trying the sa

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