Open war - a poll
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Thursday, September 21, 2006 22:20
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i honostly dont have a problem accepting your view on Pearl Harbor, i wont argue my side because like most conspiracies, the truth is in the details; and i am not as familiar with Pearl Harbor and ww2 history, as i am with 9/11; so i cant provide a pursuasive case.
but the occult documentation cant just be written off, considering so many prominant elite behind the NWO agenda are secretly Luciferians. it cant be denied that America was founded by masons, and is currently controlled by a central bank (the Fed) which actually prints Satanic symbolism on the face of its currency. the bible says "money is the root of many evils", and money has cause America, the greatest christian nation ever, to forsake her first Love and become an adulterer, a prostitute; this is Mystery Babylon of revelation.
if you understand the message of the bible, then the only prophecies we are self fullfilling are the negetive events which give rise to the antiChrist; which will be entirely antithetical to Gods original will for man. if people were subconsciously self fullfilling "prophecies" to bring about the end of the world, then they are actively fullfilling a satanic agenda. the Bush view that capitalism and democracy is Gods will
is so heretical to Gods message that negetive manifestations of this mentality are certainly possible, but just as with any worldview, religious or not
Jesus' message is selflessness, tolerance, love, to be humble, not to covet possessions or wealth.. is that not also manifested subconsiously? just as do the wills of the billions of agnostics and athiests.. yet i dont blame them for the evils of the world
if my interpretation of prophecy is different than others, does that not skew the prophecy which i am fullfilling within myself? because some do not trust the bible to be Gods word, they pick and choose what they want to believe; and others base prophecy off of false realities and events. how would we all end up at the same place? i think there are a lot of questions to that concept
but God says to oppose the greedy sinful nature of this world, that it is not of God; so using America as an example, how can we be both CHristian and greedy materialist conquerors? we cant.. but the sinful desires of Man, all men, manifest themselves, i think that is the point of the bible, to resist those urges
if we become fanatical at times, it is because we do have a different view of reality, and we are on guard against genuine evils of the world; like the occult NWO conspiracy, because it will be all consuming and opposed to our general good will; is that selfish? if my ideal is promoted for personal benefit, then i am not accurately portraying Gods message
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Antimason
Okay, there you are with lucifer again. I don't think that occult worship or paganism can be connected to satan, it's not connected at all. Also, there's a lot of cults. I think the Masons who founded this country are harmless. America wasn't an evil idea, it was a good idea corrupted into something evil. The fed doesn't print money, the treasury does. The fed in an independent consortium, the treasury is a branch of the govt. The eye of illuminati is on that money for a very good reason. It's an allusion to the actual Illuminati of the 1400s, (good guys) who believed in an ideal (separation of church and state) and fought and died to make that goal a reality. Since that goal is one of the founding principles of this nation, we owe a debt to the illumaniti, symbolized by that mark on the dollar bill. It's perfectly logical to me. As logical as putting a tin fish on the back of your car.
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the bible says "money is the root of many evils"
No it doesn't.
1.Timothy 6.10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
It's pretty clear. The love of money, in particular, the placing of money higher than faith, it's in pursuit of money over faith that leads one astray. Everyone always misquotes this, so I have to post it, otherwise it loses its meaning. Your point is okay though. I don't think the US is a christian nation. It's largely christian, but it's never been completely or officially christian.
Prophesy doesn't "coincidentally" end up in one place. You, the followers, make do. You have this predication that there will be a sign of great light on the seventh day of the seventh month and you've predicted a july 7 meteor shower, and you get a july 8th solar flare instead, and you accept it. You mark the time off as calendar drift, and take the flare as your meteor shower, because, after all, the scripture only said "great light." This is true for all prophesies, which is why people says "if they're suitably vague, any prophesy is true." This biblical prophesy is true because it has entered the collective consciouness of its followers, who number hundreds of millions, and then they make it happen.
"should we do XYZ? Well prophesy says it will be done, so who are we to argue? and who will blame us? it's right there in the book"
Anyone notice, BTW, that I said the occupation would "officially end" on aug. 30 2006?
I said this when we first went into Iraq, and I posted it on this board about a year ago. Well, the handover of control of the military occupation of Iraq was handed over to the Iraqis 5 days late. They actually tried on the 30th of August, but there were security situations that made it impossible until sept. 4th.
I got the number out of the bible. 1260 days of occupation. Of course, retroactive apologists can repair that descrepency by saying, oh, the occupation didn't actually begin until 5 days after the invasion. But you see how a bunch of christians made that prophesy come to pass, and it makes them fairly predictable. All of Bush's nonsense about "if we have a timetable for withdrawl, that will embolden the enemy" was true, but also nonsense. They already had the timetable, and the enemy, being also very religious, knew this. They just had to sit and wait. Since they knew specifically what we would do on 8-30-06, they planned accordingly, by infiltrating the iraqi forces that would assume power.
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how can we be both CHristian and greedy materialist conquerors?
When I say this is the 29th crusade, I mean it. This is nothing new in christianity. You're people have been raiding the middle east since the fall of rome. I admit it's an ecclesiastical inconsistancy, but it's not a new one.
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i was quoting from memory, but the NIV says "for the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil".. im not sure why mine was a misquote; but it does not skew the message, which is that money leads to greed, which is idolatry. it is no coincidence that the eye of Horus, the pentagram, surrounded by a circle, as well as other occult symbolism such as 13 stars etc. are found on the money, because occultists believe that demons manifest through the pentagram; http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1731.cfm
and money has been used to lead astray the believers of the world, as it was intended too
AMerica is about the all mighty dollar, and we have began an age where we will pre-emptively make war to secure the stability of our economy.. as if we werent already excessively affluent in relation to the rest of the world. somce were not using our money and influence to bring love to the world and present ourselves as just representives of God, we have fallen away from our first love. America, or mystery Babylon, is an apostate nation, and idolater, known as the "the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. with her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries". those "adulteries" are the greed and lies perpetuated by our culture, which places material wealth above all else; which is idolatry. symbolicly America is forsaking its roots, worshipping idols and seducing the world to follow our example of a ruthless capitalist democracy, which gives birth to the system of the beast
im really at a loss for debating this with you, as we are at an impass; i believe God exists, therefore Satan exists; the bible says Satan, from the beginning, has been at war with the church(believers), and is actively manipulating events to pervert Jesus' message, and to establish the mechanisms for his eventual reign. the Bible says that since the times of Noah the world has been of Satan, has worshipped fallen angels and Idols, and has done the will of its father (satan). the Illuminati, the freemasons, are just the most recent societies which hold to concepts and doctrines introduced in the ancient world, such as babylon and egypt, by the fallen angels and Lucifer... that is the source of this hidden, secretive knowledge that they hold. here are some links http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/america_subversion4.htm http://www.cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/
i honostly cannot believe that you think the Illuminati are a good thing; that just baffles me. i dont even know where to start, you dont believe Satan exists, so you dont see the diception through the idealogies that the Illuminati and freemasons promote on his behalf; the idealogies that happened to create modern America, prophetically the Nation that gives rise to the antiCHrist, or Satan manifest.
the Federal reserve IS a private Bank, a central bank which was strictly forbidden by our constitution; as our founding fathers were familiar with the damage central banks created in EU. there is a wealth of information regarding this, so i offer you some links rather than then get into this myself http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Federal_Reserve_McFadden.htm
http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/secrets_of_the_federal_reserve.html
understand- i believe there is only 1 supreme being by which everything came into existence... so any doctrine which takes away from this message is inherently Satanic because they deny basic truths of Gods message; but the occult is by far the most heinous, because they actively worhsip lucifer. the Illuminati worhsips Lucifer - that is an admitted fact among its members, aswell as the higher degree masons who are privy to the true underlying doctrines. Albert Pike, one of the most infamous masons, and highly respected among the society, makes this fact plain
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Antimason
It's not a version issue, obviously, there's no reason to insist that my kjv is accurate, even the originals aren't 'accurate' since the text has been modified countless times over the years, (the ten commandments we know aren't the original ten commandments, etc.)
But... If you omit 'love' in your quote, you skew the meaning. The "love of money" is the root of evil. Not nitpicking your usage though, you applied the passage correctly. It just irks me a little when people say "money is the root of evil" which is simply not what it says. It would be like saying that food was a deadly sin, instead of gluttony.
Money does not lead to greed. Love of money does. Greed exists in the absense of mone. You could hoard yams or potatoes. You could want all the land. Greed is greed. Money is just an object, a concept. Not evil in and of itself.
Horus was the father of, let me get this staight.. In egyptian mythology, the relationships all got changed to make a deity hierarchy, but I believe historically it was Anubis, but may have been Osiris. Anyway, the stone was kept as a symbol to keep the kingdom safe. The eye was the watchign over egypt, protecting her. Though Anubis wrote that his dog had actually kept the kingdom safe. I believe the dog's name is "Dog." But it's another fascinating study... I digress. This is all *way* pre-christian and pre-moses.
As is the Pentagram. A pentagram is a magickal containment field to keep the spirits in check, it's been used for thousands of years. It's neither satanic nor sinister. The people who would have used it never saw Yhwh or his followers, or likely ever heard of them.
13 is the number of colonies. No way around it.
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i honostly cannot believe that you think the Illuminati are a good thing; that just baffles me. i dont even know where to start
So you're a catholic?
Since the illumanti essentially created the venue for non-catholic faith, which it did because it believe the roman catholic church to be a corrupt and evil institution which dominated europe, and was created by the roman empire to twist god's word... etc.? So you have a problem with this? You support theocracy also? You oppose separation of chuch and state, the basic tenet of the illumaniti, and one of this nation, and what exactly do you think of america?
No one worships satan other than some silly teens. I think you're premise that the existance of an anti-being is mandated be the presence of a being is sketchy, and that everyone who doesn't worship your god must worship this anti-deity is beyond the pale.
I'm sure you would find the level of absolute indifference of my faith somewhat baffling. But re: the masons. Freemasonry has been crumbling as an organization, and fervent fringe christianity is on the rise, yet you act like you're the meek victim of an oppressive masonry. Almost nothing could be further from the truth. Christianity, and this is just a perpectual nitpicky point, but (and jews to) play the victim card way too often. You're not the victim here. Your the guys who rule. I admit, sure, that Bush is a fake christian, and sure, maybe he worships satan and drinks children's blood with his supper. Maybe he made an underworld deal to sell his soul for power and cocaine. But... and this is a big but... you're not the underdog. You're not the trodden underfoot of society. What may make matters worse - you never were. Romans threw christians to lions for committing speicific acts of what would now be called "terrorism" against roman places of pagan worship, which they believed, as you do, that they were under the control of a fantasy anti-being called satan. The old testament gives us no unified anti-being, it gives many entities, that the new testament attempts to synthesize into one being.
The world is broken into you and not you, sure. But not you is not unified in its not-you-ness. If it were, you'd have been squashed like a bug a long time ago. It's not that you're under siege and the strength of you God keeps you safe, it's that you're not under siege
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Antimason
It's not a version issue, obviously, there's no reason to insist that my kjv is accurate, even the originals aren't 'accurate' since the text has been modified countless times over the years, (the ten commandments we know aren't the original ten commandments, etc.)
the kjv was translated from available texts..but when the dead sea scrolls were recovered, of which the NIV includes, they were able to confirm what was accurate from the existing scriptures; so we have an incredible amount of translations to consilidate from, and scholars are pretty confident that we arent getting rehashed-altered versions of the original scriptures
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But... If you omit 'love' in your quote, you skew the meaning. The "love of money" is the root of evil. Not nitpicking your usage though, you applied the passage correctly. It just irks me a little when people say "money is the root of evil" which is simply not what it says. It would be like saying that food was a deadly sin, instead of gluttony.
you are preaching to the choir; i didnt say money is the sole root of evil; my point was just that the aqcuisition of material wealth, or anything in excess(whatever it may be) is a sin. all of these desires of human nature are used to draw people into compromising positions
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Money does not lead to greed. Love of money does. Greed exists in the absense of mone. You could hoard yams or potatoes. You could want all the land. Greed is greed. Money is just an object, a concept. Not evil in and of itself.
the bible isnt as dogmatic as people like to accuse it of; Jesus' himself says not to judge, or we will be judged. for example, God says that drunkeness, sexual perversion, greed etc are sins.. but he is describing excess and abuse. drinking is not bad..but drunkeness is. there are universal truths that God established, christianity at its root is just supposed to be an insight into these truths. anything manifested in the world opposing to Gods will is not brought through Gods message
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Horus was the father of, let me get this staight.. In egyptian mythology, the relationships all got changed to make a deity hierarchy, but I believe historically it was Anubis, but may have been Osiris. Anyway, the stone was kept as a symbol to keep the kingdom safe. The eye was the watchign over egypt, protecting her. Though Anubis wrote that his dog had actually kept the kingdom safe. I believe the dog's name is "Dog." But it's another fascinating study... I digress. This is all *way* pre-christian and pre-moses.
see.. you arent really understanding the message of the bible. Man, from the beginning was led astray by false gods. in genesis 6 it says:
"when men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the *sons of God* saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose;.. the *Nephilim* were on the earth in those days-and also afterward- when the *sons of God* went to the daugthers of men and had children by them. they were the heroes of old, men of renown".
these were superhuman entities, further elaborated in the book of Enoch, which goes into further detail.. but my premise is that all ancient polytheistic deities were based off of this visitation by the fallen angels. the Sumerian cuniform tablets, the oldest civilization recorded, share many of the bibles storeis such as the flood, but the Sumerian culture worshipped the Annunaki(fallen angels)..a different perspective introduced by these rebellious beings. they were percieved as gods, and they taught man everything known to the ancient pre-deluvian world. i dont believe all of these stories to be myths, but to be telling the same story, and Abraham just reintroduced the belief in the Creator God of everything in existence
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As is the Pentagram. A pentagram is a magickal containment field to keep the spirits in check, it's been used for thousands of years. It's neither satanic nor sinister. The peopNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Antimason,
Sure we are. We're always getting altered text. It was common practice in the pre-christian era. As long as we don't have the original tablets, we don't know the original text. Life isn't perfect, you just get as close as you can.
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you are preaching to the choir;
No, I'm arguing with the choir about faith :)
You were using it correctly, I was just adding the love. But if you use that to tie into the masons on the dollar thing, it's a stretch.
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there are universal truths that God established, christianity at its root is just supposed to be an insight into these truths.
This is a lot more reasonable.
Horus was the father of, let me get this staight.. In egyptian mythology, the relationships all got changed to make a deity hierarchy, but I believe historically it was Anubis, but may have been Osiris. Anyway, the stone was kept as a symbol to keep the kingdom safe. The eye was the watchign over egypt, protecting her. Though Anubis wrote that his dog had actually kept the kingdom safe. I believe the dog's name is "Dog." But it's another fascinating study... I digress. This is all *way* pre-christian and pre-moses.
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see.. you arent really understanding the message of the bible. Man, from the beginning was led astray by false gods. in genesis 6 it says:
"when men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the *sons of God* saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose;.. the *Nephilim* were on the earth in those days-and also afterward- when the *sons of God* went to the daugthers of men and had children by them. they were the heroes of old, men of renown". these were superhuman entities, further elaborated in the book of Enoch, which goes into further detail.. but my premise is that all ancient polytheistic deities were based off of this visitation by the fallen angels. the Sumerian cuniform tablets, the oldest civilization recorded, share many of the bibles storeis such as the flood, but the Sumerian culture worshipped the Annunaki(fallen angels)..a different perspective introduced by these rebellious beings. they were percieved as gods, and they taught man everything known to the ancient pre-deluvian world. i dont believe all of these stories to be myths, but to be telling the same story, and Abraham just reintroduced the belief in the Creator God of everything in existence
Dude. These dates will never add up in your favor. Sumer is far from the ancient-est civilization, and the idea that Sumerian religion is a continuous entity with Yhwhism is a stretch. In fact, civilization has been a spiral for some time. It moves around the planet, shifting its focus as one society infects the next, and then the older society crumbles. This has been going on for at least 35,000 years. The religions I cited both pre-date the wprship of Yhwh. I am completely without doubt that the other religions of the world are NOT descended from fragmented Yhwhism. In fact, I'm absolutely sure that Yhwhism is a fragment of them. Yhwh was the god of war in a hebrew pantheon, which itself was not unlike others of the time.
In the days when man knew nothing, he guessed about his world. Those guesses work when the audience is also not knowing the ways of the world. Moses' followers adopted the sumerian script whole cloth probably because it sounded better than whatever they were using. There's some references to a fire-cult creation myth based on Mt. Sinai prior to that adoption. It's all guesswork. To take this as the literal word of God is to take it more seriously than it was probably originally intended. You undoubtedly know much more than Moses himself ever did, let alone his followers. Just saying.
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your assuming though that Yahweh does not exist; otherwise he was present before the earth was created; the pentagram is then relevant to christianity, as God created the laws of the universe which allow Demons to manifest through these symbols. Jesus' speaks quite a bit about demonNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
DT- i understand that my language comes off as divisive when i single out and expose what i consider to be occultism as "satanic"; and i think the cold interaction of the internet kind of blunts my approach..
i wish you knew me personally, because i have always been a harmless guy; i do not judge anyone for their actions, since we are all imperfect, and in reality everyone is a hypocrite for judging someone else; as we all share in the same experiences. Jesus says "with the measure you use, so to will be given unto you", and in that way i am a friend to everyone; i do not hold myself to be on some kind of pedestal, or altar, because i am christian; actually im humbled by it, i do not throw it in anyones face, and i do not ever consider myself to be superior. my faith is more a guideline for my life, i certainly dont interject for the sake of confrontation
but i am a believer of Christ, and among the many messages of the bible, it is to be aware of false prophets, diceptive philosophies, and those who would pervert and deny the word of God including JEsus' diety. their are many beliefs in the world which fit this description, but the most offensive and threatening is Luciferianism. those who believe in Jesus have a message of salvation, that we will be redeemed, that our sinful nature will pass away, and that we have an image of God to conform to that is all loving and just. what i see envolving these secret societies is something that i simply cannot let go un-challenged, as they do not have the same message as we do, and theyre goal is directly opposing to ours
my intention, if you take any bit of information from me, is that their is a distinct difference between Jesus' christianity, and anti-christianity, or occultism. i feel many around here are commenting out of their own bias, and have never truly studied the scriptures, relentlessly..as is neccessary to truly appreciate the profoundness of its revelations. it is my hobby, i devote a good majority of my free time to it, so i generally know when i see a known contradiction; and the christians who support Bush do not realize the behavior they are passively condoning, and subconsciously purpetuating, through their support of occult doctrines which have become accepted christian concepts
AMerican christianity, according to prophecy, becomes a majority apostate church, which essentially cannot recognize the Jesus' of scripture, and compromises its ideals for the lust of the world..therefore is decieved by an occult agenda to establish Babylon, Satans instrument to manifest the beast and his messiah antichrist. America has chosen to worship her own god of idols, and the signs are all around if we would open our eyes to the political reality of the world, and its commercialism and materialist excesses has become a culture, an ideal, which has largely been promoted by AMerica
to be fair, you have to consider luciferianism and the occult when talking about the christianity, because they are seperate philosophies linked by an antithetical worldview; and christianity seems to take the blame for concepts that are not promoted within the bible, but are discouraged.
we are in agreement that their are universal truths, or laws, that many beliefs have ceased upon. if these beliefs conform with the message of God then they are not opposing to him. murder is wrong no matter what, a lie is a lie as long as it is not the truth, etc; so to expose something as sinful is a neccessity, otherwise truth is reletive, and everything is then permissable, right?
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Antimason
Sorry, didn't mean to beat you down.
If I have a point here, it's that the non-christians of the world aren't an evil twisted version of christianity, but something not connected, and usually a great deal older than chrisianity.
Nietzsche said that the new christians of his time were actually new jews, because they derived most of their lessons from the old testament. Most of the new christians of our generation are the same way. I suppose this can be attributed to paul, who I think made the decision to bundle, in hopes of bridging the gap between christians and jews. I think this was his overall strategy, and I would have chosen to make a purer faith with a smaller base, if I had been in his shoes.
Moses dates from around 1450, and he essentially created this religion. Every generated religion always uses something older to hark from, but that doesn't mean that it *is* that older thing. Judaism really doesn't pre-date this time. The prior religion was not the twisted sumerian belief, but a polytheist hebrew pantheon, which had El as it's top deity, as god of the heavens and rain, and Yhwh as god of war. I think that this OT tie in, ultimately secures this connection, and creates a problem for jesus, as peacemaker.
I'm sure if you've studied in depth that you're painfully aware that at certain points in the old testament, God sends his followers out to commit wholesale genocide, and then sees it, and sees that it is good. You can see where this is appalling to an outside observer. But this is the old war god coming through.
I'd agree, sure, religion, at best is a set of rules and guiding principles which make society better for those who live in it. At worst, obviously, it's hysterical mass insanity.
What I see is this siituation in Iraq, sure, it's a bunch of not very christian people, but also some christian support, and certainly some God fearing folk who are allowing that old war god to resurface.
What's your take on Islam?
Objectively, Mohammed was a savage, and I think this may have affected his faith, which was really what the one cartoon was indicating. Since Mohammed, as a leader of a band of brigands, was truly savage, and then found God, Jesus, and reformed. Like Jesus, he went back to tell his people the good word. But, and I think this is a tricky part: Just because they followed mohammed, didn't make his band, or those they converted, not savages. After his death, the religion instantly took on a fairly violent tint. Of course, these two faiths have evolved into very different religions, inspite of their common origins, goal, and intent. Is Islam part of satan? It's far more of a corruption of christ than is paganism which is really no connection to christ.
Surely there's a lot out there which is not you, but not anti-you. How large is the luciferian cult you see? Does it include Hinduism?
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i havent read the koran, so i cant really say ive assimilated it into my world view... but i do know that Jesus makes it clear that he is God manifest, and anything less is herecy; plain and simple. i do however believe that the Muslim world is under attack by the NWO occultists, and is strategically being provoked internationally into a war that they otherwise wouldnt have instigated. but either way, they will eventually give their power over to this global government, at which point they turn on us(US) and watch us burn.. according to prophecy
i never said that everything which is not christian is therefore luciferian; but anything contradictory to Jesus' message is; thats the difference. there are positive messages, universal truths, which are written on mens hearts, that christianity as ive said, does not hold exlusively; and then there are some concepts, such as mans fallen nature and eventual redemption, the notion of a supreme (God) which exists, and has manifested (Jesus etc. that we hold as fundemental; and those concepts cannot be skewed or perverted, and occultism above all others does so. freemasony IS in fact a religion, and it is a perfect example of a message heretical to Jesus' http://www.cuttingedge.org/free001a.htm , as is Skull and Bones and the present day illuminists
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I don't accept that Freemasonry is a religion, I think it's indifferent to religion. It's a trade guild. It was always a trade guild, and it's not much different accept for its level of power.
Muslims are under attack from the NWO, that goes without saying. I think that in this to at least some extent, they are being driven by Israel.
Whatever the NWO is, I can tell you one thing it is not. It is not a branch of freemasonry. Freemasonry has collapsed in recent years, which largely seems to be due to a lack of funding. With the assets that the NWO has at its disposal, and the need that it has for a continued base of support, it would seem illogical for this to happen. Logically, it is also clear, that the current trend of extreme policy does not date back any further than the early 20th c. and mostly from the mid 20th, and hence is nowhere near as old as the masons.
The only connection between the two is terribly tenuous and of little significance. Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati (not to be confused with the original Illuminati) was a member of a masonic order, from which he was expelled. After his expulsion, he created the BI, and within a few years he and all of his followers were arrested. William Henry Russell, founder of Skull and Bones, not himself a Mason, was an admirerer of Weishaupt's, though there is no evidence the two ever met. He established Phi Beta Kappa in emulation of the BI. When that became too public, he tried again and created 'Scull' and Bones [sic] That's an extremely weak connection. Give me any two organizations on Earth and I can probably draw a stronger one. Israel and Nazi Germany have stronger ties, as do the Bush administration and Al Qaeda.
Re: Jesus
Either Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert said 'we believe the Bible is inerrant because the bible says it is inerrant' - I hope you see the flaw in that logic. Nothing is certain, there's a decent chance the bible is lying, or at best, guessing. We don't know what Jesus said, specifically, except for the generality. The people constructing the text into a volume in around 300 ad, which is the book that later became what we have, we made by people with an agenda, and a vested interest in a result. I can't say for sure that Jesus said or believed that he was a God, and I don't imagine you can either. The reason I would say such a thing is that Jesus strikes me as a particular type of character, humble to a fault, and having no shortage of a healthy amount of self doubt. For such a person to proclaim themselves divine seems not only unseemly, but unlikely. It seems far more likely to me that someone else proclaimed Jesus the Son of God, than that he did so himself.
I have a point here, which is: The bible says XYZ. Yes, no, maybe so, but the reality of life is that Jesus walked on this Earth and said these words, an inescapable reality. The bible's accurate recording of those events is impossible because the bible, regardless of what it says, is a book, written by humans, which are flawed. Ergo, common sense dictates that everything which is written is at best an approximation, and at worst a fabrication. Therefore, the true nature of Jesus is to some extent unknown. I am certain the early christians understood this, which is why they took separate and equally valid paths to know jesus better. One was through academic study, the "gnostic" tradition, and the other through inner contemplation, the "mystic" tradition.
One mistake that christians make, and I do say mistake, because i am sure it is one, is that they believe that:
If Jesus was not the litteral son of god
or Jesus did not rise from the grave
or Jesus was not possessed of divine (magical) powers to perform miracles
... that their religion has no purpose or reason for being, and it cannot exist.
Nothing is further from the truth. Each of these magical beliefs undoubtedly corrupts the original vision of the actual Jesus Christ, and weakens the end result. The additional superstition and ritual thrust upon the faith by these assumptions most cer
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