Five years later
POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 20:57
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think the very first words out of my mouth were... "And thus we reap the bitter harvest we have sown."
I was upset, but expecting it (Having read the PNAC primers long before that), and even more so expecting what came after - to the point of writing several blistering editorials of where the Patriot Act was gonna take us, and how quickly - which (although two were printed) were laughed off because "That'll never happen."
I wish to hell I'd been wrong - and I feel pretty damn horrible about the casualties cause folks like me feel indirectly responsible for not being ABLE to stop the stupidities that were going to lead to something like this sooner or later.
And what gives me the shivers now is that our actions these days are guaranteeing another serious incident, only worse, and quite possibly from our own citizens this time as the jackboots stomp louder on our spines.
You mark my words, it won't be too long before we start seeing terrorist incidents and bombings, on american soil, by pissed off american citizens - and if history repeats itself, likely at all the wrong targets harming no one but ourselves even worse.
Never understood that, why rioters burn down the mini-mall, but leave city hall alone ?
It just totally escapes me that angry people would not attack what they felt was the source of their problems....
Anyhow, it's comin here, it HAS come here before (McVeigh for example) and if things continue, will be here to stay...
I wish I had an answer, but I don't.
-Frem
Well. that didn't take too long. So much for the call for no flamer posts.
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I would like folks to be able to share all their thoughts and feelings from those days, so please, fellow browncoats, no flame-wars, no links, no name calling. Just, "where were you?" and "what happened next?"
*sigh*
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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And how is expressing what I thought and felt at the time a flame, Wingie ?
I felt like a mechanic who's told a disbelieving fool his brakes are bad, and been ignored - watching him plow into a retaining wall, that's how I feel.
Still do.
And what happened next, and happens next, is a relavent topic here - just because it offends you that I feel differently than you, gives you no cause to pick a fight over it, especially since you make it obvious that is your goal.
-Frem.
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Thank you so much, everyone who has contributed so far. You've all done a beautiful job of recreating those first hours and days which we all had to go through. You've reminded me that even in the face of the horror of that day how hopeful the whole world was for a while. "Today, we are all Americans." I wanna kiss the Frenchman who came up with that.
FMF, I feel so strangely lucky that I have yet to see the footage of those poor souls jumping out of the towers. Death is such a terrible thing to witness, even on video. Thank you for sharing your story.
AURaptor, please, I asked people what their thoughts were 5 years ago and in the months following. What we thought and what we experienced then is not a topic up for debate. Frem spoke for Frem, and gave an account of Frem's world from Frem's point of view. He said nothing about anyone else on this board, so there was no flame in what he said. Please, restrain any further urges you may have to police my thread.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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My story is totally prosaic. I was at work at my priviate industry job in California, fixing a machine. The plant manager went to the office for a break, lunch, I think. He came out and said, " They've crashed airplanes into buildings." We both went into the office to watch the TV. The funny thing is that I don't remember there being anyone else at the plant that day, tho' there must have been.
This was close to 11:00 AM California, so the towers had already fallen.
What we saw was a mix of live reporting, taped replays, and talking heads speculating wildly about what had happened.
The thing I remember most was wishing that the TV people would *S*H*U*T* *U*P*. They were babbling, repeating themselves, reporting *N*O* new facts, speculating, spouting wild and ignorant theories in a desperate attempt to fill the silence, telling us what we were seeing live or about to see replayed.
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I was at work with my Pakistani co-worker, who was openly critical of America's foreign policies- almost to the point of offensiveness- when the first plane hit. We were listening to Howard Stern on the radio, as we did most mornings, and suddenly Howard turned into a reporter, schtick dropped away. My co-worker said NOTHING about America getting what it deserved, as I thought he might; he knew he might be in serious trouble if he did, a lot of customers were listening to our radio instead of getting to work.
We worked some 30 miles from ground zero, on Long Island, and I'd just moved my family to another state, and was doing my last week at my job before joining them. It was unreal. I had nowhere to go, the bridges were closed- my family was unreachable...so I put in a very long day.
And when they were moving wounded peeps into the bottom of one of the towers, I started to tear up...I felt like I was in a nightmare, because I knew they were coming down....
Chrisisall
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I think I was in my Tenth grade U.S. history class. I could not believe what I was seeing, it was like something out of the movies. I came home and my former housekeeper was there and she told me that, because the World Trade Center had been hit, she lost cell phone contact with her husband. that's when it hit me and I finally accepted what happened, I also realized that I had lost my faith in a higher power that day. (very similar to Joss realizing he had no faith at age 15 or 16.)
Fe'nos Tol
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
It was heartening. It was beautiful. It made for the beginning of a better world.
And then Ole GW opened his fat mouth.
We are not better off now.
Shame the President had to go and ruin the what your terrorist buddies created...bet they had you all measured for your burka and then here comes President Bush to preserve and protect the nation you had already abandoned for your "beautiful world".
If the many memorials to 9/11 teach us anything it is the simple fact that we were attacked and if if we failed to fight back, we'd be attacked again and again until there was nothing left.
Some people say that the worldwide confrontation President Bush has sought with terrorism and its state sponsors is wrong. I disagree. I have decided because I am generous to allow you to hold a differing opinion. Since you are unwilling to defend your own rights, you really only have those I and those like me grant you by our benevolant largess. This is a luxery you can only expect from an American or someone who believes in liberty and justice for all (even those who for whatever reason don't want either). Our enemies would not be so kind.
Edited to add: Since everyone is saying where they were I'll tell you where I was. I was right there with them, the office workers, the firemen, the soldiers, the rescue workers, the media, the President, the heroes of Flight 93...from my home in Ohio I was there with them then and they are here with us now, side by side, till the bitter end and justice done.
H
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Originally posted by Hero:
If the many memorials to 9/11 teach us anything it is the simple fact that we were attacked and if if we failed to fight back, we'd be attacked again and again until there was nothing left.
In my mind we DID fail to fight back. We started the war in Afghanistan, but never FINISHED it! We have the men and women of our armed forces in there getting shot at, for what?, Osama went into hiding, and instead of trying harder to find him, Good Ol' GW diverts attention to Iraq, where we CAN more easily find the bad guy! How is that succeeding?
Edit: Just a differing opinion.
Fe'nos Tol
JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Some people say that the worldwide confrontation President Bush has sought with terrorism and its state sponsors is wrong. I disagree.
H
And you are allowed to disagree - still doesn't make you right.
You can not fight this war by making up facts, invading a nation and occupying it - using the made up facts as your rationalization for the invasion. Because then you are not only an idiot but you also alienate every other country in the world. Because if you do that, if you alienate every other nation - then you BECOME the problem.
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I live in NYC.Only about 13 miles from ground zero. I used to be able to see the towers from all my windows.
That morning I was playing with my son & smelled something like fire outside.So when I went to my living room window I saw a huge plume of black smoke.Then I turned on the tv....
Let me tell you that there was the worst smell coming into my apartment for days after.There was garbage flying by my window from the towers. It was the most horrible thing I've ever seen.
Luckily mu husband works in midtown & wasn't hurt. BY the time he was sent home the trains were running & he got home ok.Somehow no one we know was there that day.
Hubby works for the phone company & then had to work for 50 days straight to get lower manhattan back in service.
And the city was SILENT that night.I've never expereinced anything like it.And all the Gods willing -I'll never see it happen again.
The lights from groung zero last night were beautiful.And yet very eerie.
Bryce
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