stupid, evil, and corrupt
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 25, 2026 22:34
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Signym,
This problem is so much worse than you realize. Email me, this board is a mess. You're missing a big key part.
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Quote:Oh sure- I knew that!
Lil prick cussed me out in KLINGON
Dreamtrove: Recapping a bit. I'm not saying that Bush is good, or that he believes in small government, or that Halliburton doesn't have deep tentacles in the current Administration (and for all I know, in the previous Administration). I know about the Carlyle Group, and the revolving door that shuttles sick sycophants in and out of government, lobbying, and corporations.
But ALL large businesses have long proud histories of fucking people over at every turn, not just "rogue" corporations that are fully enmeshed with gummint. Nike uses slave labor, Microsoft gained its monopoly by killing its competitors (not marketplace competition), Midwest power plants continue to spew acid and mercury all over the East Coast, Enron defrauded its investors, and Weyerhauser wants to clearcut in the name of "heatlhy forests". Look back in history, or better yet, look around the world to the misery that people are living in thanks to race to the bottom hosted by business.
It's not just about Halliburton.
Yes, Halliburton/Cheney are a serious problem, but even absent THAT we have a serious 'systems' problem of unmatched corporate power. "Capitalism" as envisioned by Adam Smith only works when the various economic entities interact on the basis of approximately equal power. "Without fear or fraud". If there is NO power approximately equal to corporate power (employeee power, government power, investor power), how does the system keep on an even keel? Yeah, I know it would be great if everyone went back to mom-and-pop businesses. But you know what? That's not going to happen, and it's not useful to whine for the past... if you COULD break up large businesses and make them all small again we wouldn't exactly be having this discussion, would we?Keeping our heads in the present reality, I ask yet again: WHO will provide the counterbalance to corporate power?
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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rue- you're the liar and the coward. I'm not going to waste time w/ you trading off web links. There was a time before you were a man when civilized folks discussed things out in the open, with their own words. You're too much of a punk, so I'm not wasting my time.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Signym,
Sorry, but you are really missing the point.
There's nothing here in your past few posts I don't already know, it's just the icing on the cake of what's going on, it's not the main deal. Essentially, you're sitting here counting the orcs you're up against, and missing the nazgul right in front of you.
The corporate profiteers are small potatoes, the carlyle group is barely even corrupt. Anti-Enron is actually more corrupt than Enron. But all of these games are nothing compared to what's really going on here, and there's really very little theory involved.
But while you're beating up on corporations, you've missed the really big ones, the new jersey pharmaceuticals, the AMA and most of all Time/Warner and Viacom. Also, the fragments of standard oil should get honorable mention. But there are 300,000 corporations in america, and 15,000 publicly traded corporations. Many of the largest ones (and virtually all in employee terms) don't even play a part in your corrupt monopoly scheme. Over 90% of corporations lose money under Bushonomics.
But all of this is peanuts compared to the real goings on. Multi-national unions, compound majorities, perpetual entities, captured agencies, all of the forms of massive widespread corruption and the ultimate not to secret goal of the zero-dissent, completely unaccountable, perpetually all pervasive one world govt. and it's total monopoly on executive power, weapons, medical technology, etc.
Joss understood this very well, and it's what the alliance is all about. Pretty soon we'll have it here on Earth, and there is no tinfoil hat conspiracy involved. This is all basically above board, and no one is even noticing it. It's the elephant in the room.
If you have your way, and get elected someone who clamps down on corporate power, these guys who have spent a lot of effort to become heads of these target corporations will leave at 5PM, and by 8PM will be heads of the new institution of power.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
And btw, no, I'm not missing the corporate corruption, it's pretty obvious, I think I see everything going on in that arena, and I still say, it's a minor detail in the overall disaster we have in front of us.
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OOOHHHHhhhh ... I'm so sad.
Ass-wrap
ME
I provided one link for each of my claims. I could provide more.
YOU
your response - NO LINKS - NO FACTS, just lies
global warming - out of our control
arsenic - blame Clinton
only private companies work - only government is corrupt
war crimes - "Now that's funny"
Katrina - blame State and local gov't
ME
Now scrolling down, I offered to provide the 30 YEAR history of regulating arsenic in water. I challenged you to post ANY documentation.
YOU
And how did you respond? "What I said was right, and if you don't like it, piss off. As for Katrina, I know far more about this than you. It's not even worth going over." In other words, you got zip.
ME
I challenged you AGAIN "Give me ONE link that backs you up. ... ASS-WIPE, put up. Or reveal yourself to be a liar AND a coward."
YOU
And you?
I'm going to waste time w/ you trading off web links.
Ass-wipe, you love to make all sorts of claims - but you NEVER back them up. Ever. And that's why you're an ass-wipe.
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dbl!
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I always back up my claims, but I've got too much of a life to waste time on the computer playing swapping links w/ a moron such as yourself. Want to discuss a topic and at least PRETEND you're an adult? Fine. But from what you've posted thus far, I know I'm asking far too much from the likes of you.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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What I said is that this huge expansion of the the Federal budget and Federal power is unsustainable. (Except for people like Auraptor who's so fearful he'll give up ANYTHING to feel safe. Which of course he never will.)
Give one example of me having given up ANTYHING to feel safe. You made the specific charge, now offer up some evidence.
Fact is, you can't. Your opinion is based solely on your biased, distorted view of what other's say. You offer no susbstance, merely wild conjecture.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Auraptor- I agree with Rue here. (No big surprise I'm sure). I tried many times over to get into a detailed conversation with you about your threads on the economy and you slid away. Ditto with your posts on Iraq. Same thing in the "Free Speech... unless" thread. And that's just what I remember off the top of my head. Imagine what I could find if I were to do a detailed review!
You say you don't have "time" to go look up or link your sources. All you do is post hit-and-run opinion, which you won't back up or discuss. That's showing a tremendous disrespect for everyone here. You KNOW that people here are too bright to merely believe Auraptor (or SignyM). We'd like to see your evidence and understand your logic. Heck I've even followed PN's links and learned a thing or two!
And since you must KNOW that you're not going to convince anyone by posting "your" way, I have to ask:Why do you bother to post at all? I'm not trying to drive you off the board, I'm trying to get you to engage in meaningful discussion. This is after all a discussion board, not a place to splatter second-hand propaganda and then run away.
And it seems to me that you're showing terrible disrespect for yourself. You don't have "time" to google up simple facts, but you have your whole life to slavishly parrot someone else's opinion?? I suspect you're afraid of thought and discussion because you might develop some serious cracks in your ideological foundation.
But you know, it's boring to engage in discussion with a parrot, because all they do is repeat a few phrases over an over. Join the human beings on this board and do what humans do best- think.
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Being Dr Phil.
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Auraptor- to back up my claim: You'd give up civil rights. You have said so many time over. EDITED TO ADD: Here's one:
Quote:fireflyfan.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=17189
Warrant, no warrant, I still support what The President is doing in regards to fighting terrorism and ' collecting the dots ', before another attack.
And in doing so, you'd be rushing headlong into the dictatorial one-world government that DT so greatly fears.
EDITED TO ADD: Oh yeah, not a SINGLE link in your Plamegate thread either. Nor in the Our President , Surreal World Event Discussion, End Times, Rumor Has It, or Serenity as Consitution threads.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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