stupid, evil, and corrupt
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UPDATED: Wednesday, March 25, 2026 22:34
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Quote:You were telling me just recently that something was all down to Bush despite it being a policy by Clinton. So I guess We're only allowed to recognise things as Bush's doing if it's good, right?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
arsenic in drinking water - yet another one of the Clinton administrations planned " time bombs ". A last second policy change as he was headed out of office, leaving it up to W to deal w/ the mess. Bogus.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:Well, truth be told, PN actually has some of the answers. After a certain point, the wealth is a given, and no longer fun in and of itself. That's when the 'Roman stuff' happens...
Originally posted by SignyM:
If big governments are always corrupt and businesses are always better... what is THIS government corrupted by?
Eewwwww Chrisisall
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Quote:DT's ability to assume his opinion is unbiased fact is truly amazing, not to mention annoying. Since coming back here he’s really taken a dive off the deep end, he seems to consider any discussion pointless, because there’s what he thinks and there’s being wrong.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Let me ask you a question, DT, since you're always bagging on government: If big governments are always corrupt and businesses are always better... what is THIS government corrupted by?
I'm almost surprised that in the pictures of God thread he didn't post pictures of himself, he seems to think he has God’s insight.
A great many times I've seen government incompetence, where projects have over run, for instance. More often than not that's because of some greedy incompetent contractor.
Only corporations work, don't make me laugh, in this country privatising the railways worked real well, a bunch of companies make some juicy profits while trains fly off the tracks and kill hundreds of people. There was no Hatfield before privatisation.
We can all see how well private only healthcare works.
The only people who can make a statement like "only private companies work" are those that truly can't get over their ideology. It's a statement akin to a communist saying "Communism is the system that would be the best for all in the real world".
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Signym,
Communism. he backers of Bush are trotsky communists who use corporations as mussolini did, as part of a powerbase. These corporations aren't companies with shareholder and workers, they're proxy govt. dictatoriships run by unchecked CEOs, with a labor force about which they care nothing. It's barely business at all, it's just a way to keep the people at bay.
Democracy probably doesn't work, but what we have isn't a democracy, at least not anymore.
Citizen,
shut up.
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Quote:DT... I think you have a peculiar definition of communism, particularly as one of the tenets of communism was that the government would 'wither away'. What you are describing is widely defined as "fascism". Are you saying that the USA is fascist?
Communism. The backers of Bush are trotsky communists who use corporations as mussolini did, as part of a powerbase.
Also, while I understand that dictatorial governments and predatory corporations often mutually benefit, I don't see much "mutuality" in our current arrangement. What I see happening today is our government doing the bidding of business. I challenge you to find more than two example of the opposite: business doing the bidding of the Bush government in ways that promote expanded government role and continuation of Bush policies.
The only two business that seemed to actively support the Bush administration in a quid pro quo arrangement are
(1) Media support for Bush in return for greater consolidation.
(2) Diebold.
But the other corporate beneficiaries- pharmas, energy, insurances, military contractors, oil companies, credit card companies and banking, etc - have not supported the GOP in any long-term way because in return for the billions they're gotten they've consistently fucked over the public and drained the Federal coffers. And sooner or later that leads to a backlash which government will absorb, not business. In other words, business is weakening "government" both politically and fiscally. I'm not thinking in partisan terms. I don't mean that THIS administration be weakened, I think that many future administrations will be weakened because of inability to raise funds/ borrow money and because of general distrust of government.
And you will say Hillary is waiting in the wings to take over and feed us more of the same, but riddle me this, Batman... If business can install and remove Administrations at will, who's in charge? So I repeat my question- What is THIS government corrupted by?
Quote:We never did. What we DID have at one time was greater economic egalitarianism.
Democracy probably doesn't work, but what we have isn't a democracy, at least not anymore.
So, since we are now in the day and age of the corporate monopoly, no matter how much we may pine for a simpler past... who can restrain the power of the monopoly?
Oh, and BTW- why are you telling Citizen to shut up? I think he provided very good examples.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Well, truth be told, PN actually has some of the answers. After a certain point, the wealth is a given, and no longer fun in and of itself. That's when the 'Roman stuff' happens...
Eewwwww Chrisisall
He does, too bad he blows em so far out of proportion they don't make sense anymore...
There's also certain foreign influances, and they go so damn deep it's like one of those russian doll sets, every time you open one, there's another inside it.
Related note: concerning with some of the black-ops stuff from the cold war that's finally coming out, one particular general said this.
"If the american people ever knew... even half of what was done, without their approval, behind their backs, yet in their name, with their money... the hardware stores would run out of rope, because they'd lynch every one of us."
-Frem
PS. While trying to get some sense of what Sub that might have been during the Liberty incident, I wound up reading a damned interesting book on cold-war sub antics, we wasted BILLIONS of taxpayer money, stolen and hidden in black budgets, doing naught more than trying like hell to provoke people who didn't want to fight us, and many of those asinine stunts could have easily started WWIII.
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Don't you see that this statement (which I completely agree with) is also a non-partisan one, and that big govt is always corrupt and incompetent, and that private companies always do it better, ergo, the govt. of George W. Bush has to go (certainly not to be replace by hillary clinton) but as an institution of truly immense corrupt and incompetent big govt.
I think people get too caught up in rooting for their own team, deflecting partisan attacks of those across the aisle seeking power, to see that they've compromised their own ideals. If you destroy the thing you are fighting to protect then isn't it a pyrrhic victory?
Dreamtrove - I'd love to replace our bloated Imperial Federal Gov't w/ a smaller, more freedom loving and fiscally responsible one. The Fair Tax bill, along with doing away with the IRS, would be a nice start.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You were telling me just recently that something was all down to Bush despite it being a policy by Clinton. So I guess We're only allowed to recognise things as Bush's doing if it's good, right?
citizen - Unless you are up to speed w/ this topic, don't try to lump unrelated issues into one discussion. It simply isn't going to work.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Ass-wrap,
MUST you display your ignorance at every opportunity ? You almost seem proud of it.
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global warming - Much ado about that which isn't in our control. Really.
In your expert opinion, I'm sure.
Quote:Once again you're looking mighty silly. CLINTON was waiting for the USEPA. It was BUSH who said that wasn't good enough and brought in the NAS (who confirmed the EPA level that Clinton approved.)
arsenic in drinking water - yet another one of the Clinton administrations planned " time bombs ". A last second policy change as he was headed out of office, leaving it up to W to deal w/ the mess. Bogus.
Quote:I'll give you a couple of points on this one. Halliburton in all its glorious corruption is in fact indistinguishable from government. Or is it the other way around?
only private companies work - I think we saw the corruption and incompetence in Gov't already.
Quote:You must be a real Renaissance man. Global climate expert, int'l law expert. Wow. I mean, really. Wow.
war crimes? Now that's funny. Really, it is.
Quote:So AFTER FEDERALIZING THE FUNCTIONS UNDER HOMELAND SECURITY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD NO RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND.
Katrina - never before in US history has a story been turned upside down mores so than this b.s. State and local gov't bears a huge majority of the blame here. Folks living in N.O. have known for GENERATIONS that such an event might occur. Ignoring the threat for the Fed Gov't to come clean up is inexcusable.
You know ass-wrap, I can't tell if you're completely nuts, or totally corrupt. Either way, you're a waste of human flesh.
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Signym,
I'm being literal. No special definitions. Literally, these guys, are the old shachtmanites, literally, and no conspiracies implies, this is who they are. The followers of Max Shachtman, who was a leader in the american communist party. This is where these guys are coming from, and what they're all about. Shachtman created his own communist movement because he became convinced that the american communists had become corrupted by 'sovietism'
The bush admin is basically fascist, sure, or corporatist, which is the same thing, since both were invented by benito mussolini.
It is necessary for these guys, in order to achieve their goals, to remove everything they can from elected office, because in elected office, someone else might get elected. What institutions they choose to use are not the relevant issue, they want unchecked power without competition, dissent or accountablility.
These businesses basically never do anything in the game because they never get any money from the public till, *until* those companies were taken over by members of the inner circle. Haliburton was just a random contracter until cheney became its ceo, after that, it's all to benefit the agenda, not the employees of haliburton.
Citizen was just being an ass.
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