stupid, evil, and corrupt
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 25, 2026 22:34
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rue - Must you start every post answering me w/ a childish ad hominem? It really makes you look all the more a dick head.
Great retort on the global warming myth. Well done. 
Yah, Clinton waited for 8 yrs before making his changes, and then stuck Bush w/ the burden of a costly plan for everyone to get caught up to code. What a load of crap that was.
Right, it all has to do w/ Haliburton. That's a tired old song. Try learning another.
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So AFTER FEDERALIZING THE FUNCTIONS UNDER HOMELAND SECURITY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD NO RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND
Bogus premise, and you know it. FEMA didn't have NO RESPONSIBILTY, but definatly wasn't expected to be the FIRST responders. But since you're too much of an ass-head to understand the whole Katrina disaster, I won't waste my time explaining it to you. You're just not that intelligent to understand anyway.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Auraptor,
The so called fair tax in the national sales tax, and it's a huge open invite to big govt. that will swallow us whole. It makes no guarantee to get rid of the appalling income tax, so knowing this govt., double taxation is almost a guarantee.
Correct, the Fair Tax does make no guarantee to get rid of the income tax. Which is WHY I pointed out that for this to work, the current income tax, and the IRS must be done away with. The Fair Tax is meant to be an alternative means of taxation. Not a all in one fix it plan. The fair tax would reduce , not grow the Gov't.
www.fairtax.org
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Auraptor,
So you say, but humbly I disagree. Any new tax opens the possibility of the growth of govt., and since govt. is implementing any new law, and has a vested interest in a growth of govt., they will try to make it so.
But the fair tax has far more flaws than that. It's a disincentive to commerce. I am the first to admit that the income tax is a disincentive to hire workers, which is an appalling thing for a society to have, but a disincentive to commerce is really ultimately just as bad, or at least, almost as bad.
What we need is a taxation system which is a disincentive to things which we actually don't want to have in our society. This is how I came up with the fat tax on lazy money. Lazy money does a society no good at all.
For this reason the vice tax was a good idea in theory, but in practice it created a caveat that many of us didn't foresee: that the tax gave the govt. a vested financial interest in the success of vice.
There are undoubtedly alternative systems to my fat tax which would follow the same disincentive principles, but I haven't seen them yet. import tarrifs would be one, I suppose. A lender's tax would make logical sense, but would probably be cruel. CEO tax. Anyone taking large amounts of money out of a company for any reason could pay a hefty tax. There's a lot of money moving that way, $400 million severence packages, etc.
100% death tax makes sense, except that it gives the govt. a vested interest in your death. For this reason, any death tax is a bad idea.
agenda tax. Anyone in govt. or connected to govt. who is supporting a particular spending agenda should have to pay as much of that spending bill as they can (ie. big pharm. has lobbied for some major spending bills, they could help foot the bill)
overconsumption tax. If you have a vehichle which gets
this is just a bunch of right off the top of my head ideas of taxes which might discourage behavior we want to discourage, that might raise some revenue.
The thing about the economy, is that there's a commerce cycle:
I buy a computer. That money goes to pay workers in the plant of the computer company where it was made, who then take that money and go and buy an ipod or whatever. It's a complete cycle, and there's no question but that the economy runs best if there's less drain happening on each pass. It's best of all if there's no govt. vampire clinging to that loop anywhere. I've been somewhat happy to see corporations in my life have started giving up on dividends, which were an unnecessary leech in that loop.
Fair tax is a big fat vampire in the middle of the loop, as is corporate tax and individual income tax. Imagine for a second, if all three were in place at once. The loop would stop dead. In a worst case scenario, I figured it out, 90% of every dollar would be siphoned off on every pass. By the time the ipod maker apple's employee got my dollar, there would be a penny left which had not been eaten away by tax in some form.
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Not to butt in again but...
Homeland Security is another big govt. nightmare.
Bush just doesn't understand limited govt., or worse yet, he doesn't care.
I read an analysis of the creation of the dept of HS recently which suggested that the purpose was to silence dissent by putting everyone under a yesman pawn, in this case, chertoff. It's also worth noting that the idea appears in early shachtmanite plans for socializing america.
Basically, I'll be happy when Bush and all his ideas go away, and hopefully take Clinton and all his ideas with him, and their wives, and then maybe we can maybe get a fresh start with someone sane.
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Quote:A really interesting statement from a tomato farmer who thinks he knows more about physics than most scientists.
Originally posted by Dreamtrove:
If you want to what I really think, I think you're a pseudo intellectual college grad who thinks he is much more intelligent than he really is. I think you're very naive about the way the world actually works, but you have all this stuff you've 'learned' which tells you that you know all the answers. In short, I think you're not as bright as you think you are.
So where, exactly, do you get your boundless knowledge oh great one? From long discussions with Tomato plants?
Quote:I have. You haven't. It’s as simple as that.
and I don't think I can recall a single occassion on which you have admitted a mistake.
Quote:Congrats DT, only you could think calling someone a stupid little prick is constructive criticism. Well maybe you PirateNews and Kaneman, so you're in good company at least. I said you need to get over your ideology of "capitalism always good, everything else always bad" you take that as an open attack, and call me a stupid prick. Then you go on to say:
I think that you never listen to constructive criticism, but take everything as a personal attack to be deflected at any cost, and so learn little from the experience.
"I hope you take this the way it's intended, as a suggestion, from a friend, to can the attitude and think."
If you wanted me to take it as a suggestion from a friend maybe you shouldn't have called me a stupid work shy prick and bypassed any point I raised to do so.
I suspect capitalist corporations will have enslaved the Human race long before you grow up.
The only reason you don't get in more flame wars is because you spit out your vitriol then toddle off arrogantly assured of your own superiority. In other words you're such an arrogant little prick you don't even have the good graces to listen to what anyone else has to say, let alone take it on board.
Quote:I suspect you don't. I find it amusing advocating removal of any government whatsoever and handing all power to corporations seems quite moderate to you. Don't tell me that's not what you advocate.
I think it's interesting that you think of yourself as the more moderate of me and you. I don't think this is even close to reality.
You're consistently on the crazy conspiracy side of the debate, and you think you're a moderate? Comedians couldn't make this stuff up.
So yeah, I think going to the middle ground between capitalism and socialism is more moderate than going completely over to capitalism. In fact striving for the middle ground between to opposing ideals is the very definition of being a moderate you fucking moron.
Quote:When I'm your age I sincerely hope I'm not an arrogant stupid selfish old prick like you.
When I was your age, I was much the arrogant liberal prick that you are today.
Quote:I don't work for a living, that's original. No free time? What are you doing here, is this your work is it you fucking hypocrite? You turn a request for you to make your own fucking case into an insult, seems pretty much like the actions of a man who can't backup what he says to me.
Unlike you, I actually work for a living, I have no free time.
Quote:Liar. How about in the freedom of speech thread where you prominently announced that people either agree with you or they don't know what they are talking about. Seems like all those things you're telling me off for are just as or more so prominently a part of you as they are a part of me.
I never said the things you have me to have said, btw.
Or:
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Suffice it to say, I'm right, you're wrong, trust me, fall in line.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=23231#365219
You’re words, summarising why you didn’t have to make your case or support what you had to say. If you don’t have any data too support your position why should I take it at face value? What makes you so special oh great one?
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DT- How do I disagree with you? Let me count the ways...
Quote:Which are the "key" corporations? How do they differ from all the OTHER corporations? ARE there any "others"? As far as I can tell, the corporations that have benefitted from the Bush admin... from small sweatshops in the Marianas to international pharmas, from privately-held military contractors to publicly-traded software companies... are so many and varied that that it would be hard to actually exclude any.
The key corporations are just stooge organizations for the agenda. There are profiteers there, sure.
Quote:Nah, I'm not making that mistake. What I said is that this huge expansion of the the Federal budget and Federal power is unsustainable. (Except for people like Auraptor who's so fearful he'll give up ANYTHING to feel safe. Which of course he never will.)
Under George W Bush and company, Govt. is NOT shrinking. It is growing by leaps and bounds. You're making a classical liberal Bush-is-a-conservative ergo everything-conservative-has-been-leading-towards- Bush mistake.
Quote:Bush is not really interested in privatizing everything. He'll create favorable laws in return for mere contributions.
Conservatives believe in limited govt. scaling back govt., etc. This has absolutely zippo to do with George W. Bush, who may say things like "oh let's privatize, but only if you give it all to me," and in reality has no interest of letting go of anything.
Quote:So I ask my question AGAIN: Who will blunt the power of corporations?
The truth, IMHO, is that we are NOT at a point where we have limited govt and we need more govt. in order to bring things back to normal. We have way way way too much govt., and need to radically scale it back in order to bring things back to normal. Remember, the free society that our founding fathers set up in 1776 originally had no federal govt. at all. By the civil war, it barely had a govt., maybe on the level of the EU today, and that was considered so oppressive that the south revolted (not just about slavery) Now, looking today, that kind of govt. looks like total anarachy compared to the de facto soviet state of amerika we are apparantly building today.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Ass-wrap
I have no patience for liars. I will stop using my little pet names for you when you stop lying.
"Clinton waited for 8 years". Ass-wipe, get a clue. I have the real story here but I'm waiting for you to post ANY documentation for your fabrication. I'm not going to spend my time proving you wrong. You made the claim. Now back it up. If you can.
"(Halliburton')s a tired old song." But true.
I know who trains you to parrot their talking points. It's so obvious you haven't got a single idea in your head. You CAN'T talk about Katrina, because you just ain't got it.
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Just a quick note.
Most of our current policymakers are Straussians, not communists.
The beliefs and teachings of Leo Strauss are pretty far from anything one would consider communist, so a lot of folk in this thread are operating under a false assumption here.
A little digging and a few minutes would bring you up to speed on that if you so desired.
-Frem
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Rue,
In reading your exchange with dreamtrove it reminds me of an article I read about movement conservatives and how they rarely acknowledge the failures of conservative policies. Instead they see it as a failures of individuals. In other words, conservative policies are never wrong. It's only conservative politicians who stop being sufficiently conservative. Dreamtrove is quick to say that Bush is not conservative, ignoring all the evidence of conservative policies that have been implemented during this administration. Policies that have ceded governmental oversight to corporations and shifted the tax burden onto the middle class and attempts to destroy or seriously undercut social programs. The big take-away lesson for me, from this administration, is that wide-scale implementation of conservative policies doesn't work for the average American. But dreamtrove doesn't see it this way. I just don't get it.
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Quote:I've been trying to say this for sometime, for my trouble I get called a stupid ignorant little prick. In the nicest most constructive way of course.
The big take-away lesson for me, from this administration, is that wide-scale implementation of conservative policies doesn't work for the average American. But dreamtrove doesn't see it this way. I just don't get it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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