Time to bring Firefly back, this is ridiculous

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FELLOWTRAVELER

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:42 PM

Hey, I'm always up for a good caper...

YLESS

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:25 PM

OK, I admit I've not been around long but I was just wondering what, besides giving F*X free money in the form of donations or pledges (which is good although if they don't sell the rights they're still getting sent basically pure profit), people are proactively doing. There was talk of letter campaigns against British TV channels to get them to show it and there has obviously been success with those before in the form of a BDM but how many people are proactively doing it on a large scale now for a new series? If it's a large number and I'm just oblivious I appologise.

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Aftermath: The Renegade:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=12456 - Prologue.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=12503 - Chapter 1 - The Moon of Talgos.

ELDUSTO

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:33 PM

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Originally posted by YLess:
OK, I admit I've not been around long but I was just wondering what, besides giving F*X free money in the form of donations or pledges (which is good although if they don't sell the rights they're still getting sent basically pure profit), people are proactively doing. There was talk of letter campaigns against British TV channels to get them to show it and there has obviously been success with those before in the form of a BDM but how many people are proactively doing it on a large scale now for a new series? If it's a large number and I'm just oblivious I appologise.

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Aftermath: The Renegade:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=12456 - Prologue.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=12503 - Chapter 1 - The Moon of Talgos.

The only thing that seems to be stopping it, to me at least, is Joss's unwillingness to work with FOX on making another season of Firefly(I don't blame him either.) and FOX waiting for the fan base to become as big as some of their other hit shows. I think we've covered our end and we continue to do more, but it's the other two equations to this problem that need to be solved and we can't do much more then ask them to play nice and continue the series.

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:57 PM

I don't think sending donations to Fox is a good idea. In fact, I think it is a very bad idea. Even if we managed to scrape up $1 million, all we'd have done is give $1 million for absolutely nothing, and they would have no more incentive to greenlight the show than they have right now. It would be a huge waste of money and effort.

Personally, I think there are two things we can do right now. We can continue to spend time, effort, and money on things that make the fanbase known. This is everything from car decals and t-shirts, to the Ariel Ambulance Rescue and the Serenity Now screenings. It brings more people into the fandom, it gets Browncoats mentioned in the press, and it shows Fox, Universal, and anyone else who is toying with the idea of creating something based on the license that the fanbase is still going strong.

The other thing we can do is save up our money, and wait for something to be announced. We each have a finite amount of money that we can spend to support more of the 'Verse getting made, and I personally would rather put aside a small amount each month, so that once something is announced, I'll have a store of funds to use to support the cause.

As an example, let's pretend for a second that through some loophole, Fox loses the rights to produce tv shows based on the license, and those rights fall to Joss. Joss decides that he's done working with networks, and would rather create a pay-per-episode internet-only show. He knows he'll be able to make money on it in the long run, but there are a lot of up-front costs involved in getting the show going again. So he turns to the fanbase and says "If you donate X amount of money, I'll put your name in the credits." Since I've been saving up, waiting for an official announcement, I'll have the money on hand to donate to the project.

Now the above is a fairly fantastical example, and I don't actually expect that anything like that will happen. But I do believe that eventually we'll get more of the 'Verse from an official source, and I'll be happily saving up money until that happens -- at least whatever money I don't spend on things like the guidebooks and Serenity Now.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

JOLLY

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:04 PM

So how do the movie rights fit into all this speculation? I can't imagine that Universal would buy a 3-movie deal from Fox that allows Fox to make another series before Universal has had a reasonable chance to exercise its options for the remaining two movies.

SEAOTTER

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:04 PM

I was actually wondering this as well.

I had started a thread wondering what Joss wanted to do...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23321

where people were saying that another series wasn't going to happen, our only shot is another movie.

And they said we might not get the original cast, either.

Curious to know what the posters in this thread think about that.

Thanks!

SEAOTTER

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:04 PM

double post due to error message

TEACHDAIRE

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

I recall seeing a documentary a few years back about Star Trek TNG, where Rick Berman said it cost about $1m per episode to shoot and screen, and this was what? 10? 15? years ago. So a million dollars doesn't go far in television nowadays.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:45 PM

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Does anyone know how long F*X owns the rights?

There must be a limit, right? 5 years, 10 years?

Yes, there is a limit. The clock started ticking the day the show was cancelled. The exact time to expiration has never been disclosed, to the best of my knowledge, but rough fan estimates - based on what Joss and other cast members have mentioned - put it around the 10 year mark. Which leaves us with a WAG of 6 years to go.

Yes, FOX has the TV rights and Universal has the movie rights. FOX keeps the TV rights because this is a business, and in a business, you don't just hand over a property to your competitor for the sheer good will of it all. That's how Hollywood is, folks, not just FOX. (Note, there are different types of "rights" in play, here. Joss holds creator's "rights" and the production companies hold production "rights," for lack of a better term. That basically means that neither side can do anything without each others' permission. And that's hugely summed up.)

There are many, many reasons why it's just not feasible to bring Firefly back to television.

This whole subject has been discussed ad nauseam by countless people for the past FOUR YEARS, which is why I was hesitant to even bother posting here (and probably why I don't see any FFF.net "old timers" posting here). Ref: tilting at windmills.

Joss and cast members have said in no uncertain terms that Firefly will not return to TV. Everyone's moved on because, no matter how big a fan you may be, this is their livelihood and they can't afford to sit around day dreaming about reviving a dead show. Now, that's not to say that there might not be any spin-offs, but it will not be our Firefly as we know and love it.

It's not my intention to sound cranky here. It's just that I've been watching the same episodes over and over for the past 4 years, so I get a bit tetchy when I have nothing to read but the same threads over and over. If you're really curious about all the history, try doing a search in the archives for all the previous discussions and facts.

In the meantime, enjoy what we got; it's more than many and certainly better than most.

Cheers.

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SEAOTTER

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:57 PM

Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this? Pleased to meet you, too.

Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?

Regarding your comment on doing a search, I had already started going through the archives and saw so many different "facts" that I finally posted, trying to sort it out. I have yet to find a Search option and so had been doing it manually by title of thread.

Please be patient with those of us new to this forum. We're happy to be here.

Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

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