Crop Circles
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Friday, September 1, 2006 17:53
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Quote:I don't know enough about your views on crop circles to know where your bs meter registers. You've asked some good questions. But I haven't heard any alternative explanations.
Sergeant X suggested in the other thread that my b.s. meter must be "completely broken," but what about all the rest of you?
What do YOU think makes these formations? What explanation do you favor?
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Quote:Well, at the risk of being ridiculed, I'll venture a notion. Of course, this is TOTAL speculation.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Can anyone come up with anything resembling a reason for man-made crop circles to exist at all?
I am very intrigued by the electromagnetic signatures of the formations. I think that is a significant clue on how they were made. I've been entertaining the conjecture that some sort of hyperdimensional travel is involved.
Imagine if people have invented a time travel device in the future. They wanted to travel all over the world, all over our history. What if, as they left our time and space, they left a footprint. Maybe that print varies with the vehicle, or varies with their next destination, or their former destination. Maybe they try to do it in the middle of the oceans most times, but sometimes they have to "land" their vehicle on solid ground, leaving such formations. What this idea explains is the long history and extensive global coverage of these formations. What it doesn't explain is why we've never seen such a vehicle etc. It is weak in that it isn't falsifiable--there is no way to prove the idea right or wrong. So it is just a fantasy.
But hey, you asked.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Quote:Ach! I didn't mean the question that way. Curse your diabolically uninflected English language! I wasn't making a sad grandstanding plea for support--yuck. I'm gonna have to edit that last sentence of my post before everyone thinks I'm a total loser!
Originally posted by canttakesky:
I don't know enough about your views on crop circles to know where your bs meter registers. You've asked some good questions. But I haven't heard any alternative explanations.
What do YOU think makes these formations? What explanation do you favor?
I was asking if anyone had an intact b.s. meter when it came to the implausibility of the "man-made" theory. If crop circles are man-made, then we're talking about a major multi-generational conspiracy that has no apparent pay-off for anyone involved, while everyone who would be involved would stand to gain both fame and monetary reward for "going public."
P.S.: my own best guess as to the cause or source of the crop circle phenomenon is forthcoming and lengthy. Thanks for your interest, CTS.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Here are some other theories:
Gophers with too much time on their paws.
Ants with too much time on their antennae.
Really ambitious travelling mexicans.
Another telling point is if anyone can find a genuine pre-ufo crazy reference to them.
I strongly suspect this is a major prank, but it might be a terrestrial life form of some sort, I doubt it, but it's possible.
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Quote:Actually, a lot of people over the years have kept watch, just as folks have done with every "paranormal" phenomenon from Nessy to Santa Clause coming down the chimney (guilty).
Originally posted by canttakesky:
What it doesn't explain is why we've never seen such a vehicle etc. It is weak in that it isn't falsifiable--there is no way to prove the idea right or wrong.
Trouble is, what such people see registers even higher on the wacko-meter than the crop circles themselves.
Many, many people who claim to have witnessed the formation of the crop circles have seen floating lights of varying sizes moving over the fields. I've seen footage of such lights. Sure they could be faked, I suppose, but seriously: what the hell for?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I think it's fair to say that most people on this board and across the larger Western World, understand mind to be a thing that exists seperately within each individual person, limited in its access to the perceivable world by the five official senses. In some cases this may constitute a full-blown belief system, but for most people in their day to day lives this is simply the way they experience their reality.
When phenomena occur that suggest that the mind is not so bound, that what we comfortably believe are utterly private thoughts and experiences are in actuality shared and accessible emotionally and at the deepest levels of consiousness directly by others around us, most people will try to marginalize and suppress such information. It's not difficult. Phenomena like telepathy and precognition threaten our sense of self, our sense of free-will and autonomy, and greatly limit the effectiveness of the ego's central preoccupation: keeping hidden from others what we don't like about ourselves.
My experience of mind has been quite different from the norm for most of my life. For instance, I have apparently been able to hear the thoughts of other people. I've often known what was going to happen before it did. I've contacted people in my dreams and they have verified it without my prompting. People whom I've met in my dreams, have later shown up in my real life. I've been counceled since a very young age by non-corporial guides and teachers. I have seen and interacted with phenomena that conform to conventional notions of ghosts and spirits and demons and even fairies. Animals have advised me of dangers.
My experiences, without resorting to any belief system, have suggested that mind is not many totally distinct things, but a massive field of consciousness in which individual human egos stake down a bit of territory, or perhaps "tune into" a particular "frequency" of mind as "theirs" and then blot out all the rest. This blotting out creates a field of its own (interference pattern?), such that each individual's attempts to blot out extrasensory perception is aided by the blotting out of others, until whole cultures securely exist outside any notion of "one mind" or anything even remotely "transpersonal."
It's a lonely existence here in the materialistic West, but with our loneliness seems to come unprecedented technological and economic mastery. Perhaps ignoring all the "higher resonances" of being, excluding the thoughts and feelings of other people, animals, even the planet, allows Western Man to focus on his own materialistic goals, with obvious and spectacular results. It would seem so.
Anyway, I'm trying to give y'all a sense of just how differently oriented I am to the crop circle phenomenon than most around here. To me there is clearly mind at work in these fields. Mind that exists by all evidence outside the explicit agency of physical bodies and persons. The mind involved is concerned with the deepest levels of consciousness, with symbol and the generative implications of mathematics.
Here's a thing: we've all heard about the "left brain" and the "right brain" and regardless of the specific brain geography involved, I find these terms useful.
The left brain, as I understand it, is the "dominant" hemisphere, being concerned with language and logic and what we consider the objective world. This part of the brain is what keeps us grounded in 3 dimensions. It's the gate-keeper, if you will, the final judge of what is and is not real.
Meanwhile, the right brain is understood to be the seat of creativity, imagination, dreams, the non-verbal, emotions, and if we must, religious experience. Much of this "side" of the brain is shrouded in mystery and is definitively sub-conscious.
We've all, I think, awakened from a dream with very clear sensations and sometimes even images, but with little or no ability to put them into words. We know the dream happened, we can see it in our minds eye, but as soon as we attempt to render the dream in words, it so often receeds. So we
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