If you speak Arabic, you're a terrorist.
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 23:13
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Well I don't know what part of that you think is fallacious, but it seems clear to me that someone willing to die and take lots of people with him can beat any system, given the time and resources. If they know you're looking for 'X,' they'll simply become or appear to be 'not X.' Say you get someone with olive skin but with the name Gonzales on their passport. Arab with fake ID or hispanic? There are a lot of people on the campus here where you really can't tell. The only way you could protect air travel that comes close to effective is universal bomb detectors, and armed air marshals on every flight. Racial profiling simply can't work in countries like Spain, where so many people have dark skin and many Arab countries are close by. Too many people.
Of all the lies and bullshit that's come out of W's piehole, he's right about one thing: they only have to succeed once. There's gotta be a way of staying a step ahead of them that works and doesn't make a terrorist out of someone who wasn't one before they got harrassed for speaking the wrong language. Making enemies faster than we can kill them isn't a viable strategy.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
You are a babbling fool. When they dress as old women we will search everyone. till then... why go random when we can narrow it down a bit. doesn't that make sense idiot? Well, it's true.
Here's a funny idea.
Instead of going random or narrowing it down, how's about they search everyone? Hire more people for security, make sure every single passenger has been checked out.
Random searches just strike me as so stupid in this scenario.
Muslim radicals are not even the only kind of terrorism out there in the world. Who knows when some perfectly Caucasian-looking creep decides to impose his own little moment of power for whatever other reason, simply because he's inspired by the techniques he's seen on the news?
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Finn,
I meant so called pre-emptive military action. ie. invasion of other sovereign lands to change them to our liking, whether it is as you believe to make them not terrorists, or as I believe, to make them subservient to our will, the will of israel, make a one world govt., and take their natural resources. But regardless of the motivation, it's morally wrong.
I just meant I was getting in the middle of a spat, not the on the boardness so much that I thought my nose was not belonging.
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Quote:And your strategy then is to make it easier for them by focusing on people who aren’t a threat? Every old woman that we search in a random search means that someone who might be a real terrorist might get by without notice.
Originally posted by Eric:
Well I don't know what part of that you think is fallacious, but it seems clear to me that someone willing to die and take lots of people with him can beat any system, given the time and resources.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yeah, during WWII, this sort of fear led to Japanese internment camps.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Historically, progressive attitudes have generally taken a back seat to getting blown up.
I don't know what is more disturbing, that some people practice racial profiling, or that others try to justify it.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Quote:Well, around that time a radio show had folks believing we were being attacked by Mars. Peeps were a little wackier back then, I think.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
during WWII, this sort of fear led to Japanese internment camps.
But I may be wrong Chrisisall
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Quote:Why only one???
So if you want to prevent terrorism and your choice of suspects is an old English woman or a young Middle Eastern man, who do you choose to interrogate, if you can choose only one?
Finn, you keep posing false choices as if they wer real. I recall many threads ago the scenario where the choice was "If you knew a terrorist was going to blow up Los Angles in a couple of hours would you resort to torture?" You watch WAAAAY too much 24. In reality, these aren' the choices we face.
The reality is that the only things that your narrowed choices reveal is your own limited mentation.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:In my experience the choices we face either come up on us so fast we have almost no time to choose, or they are so varied as to force us to hyper-focus just to make one.
Originally posted by SignyM:
In reality, these aren't the choices we face.
If 24 was like real life, it would be confusing as Hell.
2 sheckles Chrisisall
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Signym,
I agree. This is not the choice we face.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Why only one???
So if you want to prevent terrorism and your choice of suspects is an old English woman or a young Middle Eastern man, who do you choose to interrogate, if you can choose only one?
I think it's a question of numbers. If the airports were to completely screen all air passengers, prepare to show up to the airport several days before your departure time.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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